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this is fade to black with your host

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i need your help to get to the year

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welcome

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yeah man how you doing today is monday

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for kjcr the game changer on nx networks

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tonight we've got a huge week coming up

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here on fade to black and starting it

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very special guest john greenwald of the

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black vault is here

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got lots of news and things that we're

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going to be covering tonight with john

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so stand by for that he'll be with us at

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the bottom of the hour tomorrow night

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that's tomorrow night and then wednesday

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richard dolan is here for

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that's right that's the great thing

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black thursday night is another fader

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i'm still in the middle of all of these

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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sandbox is hashtag f2b on twitter watch

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it's all blending together hashtag f2bq

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on fade to black we'll find out what's

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on this one he's about 30 days late but

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of digital currency their words all of

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and followed three months of debate and

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other nonprofit groups like the world

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donations and fundraising efforts

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very interesting i just saw

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a documentary

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last night trust no one

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have you guys seen that yet check it out

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it's called trust no one i think it's on

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check that out that's crazy it's about

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and bitcoin

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go watch it it's called trust no one

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is building on its electric vehicle goal

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with the three billion dollar investment

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aimed at boosting the united states

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the bipartisan infrastructure package

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the move is aimed at fighting climate

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and secure officials said as russia's

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invasion of ukraine has disrupted global

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oil markets

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all right the largest active wildfire in

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the united states

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has forced thousands from their homes in

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new mexico in the drought-stricken south

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west

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the blazed dubbed the calf canyon fire

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has consumed more than 121 000 acres or

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more than half the area of new york city

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tearing through centuries-old

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settlements and vacation homes in

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forested mountains just 30 miles

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northeast

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of santa fe

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our thoughts are with everybody in new

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mexico let's get this show cracking

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history

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1933

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the loch ness monster

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is cited for the first time when a local

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couple who claimed to have seen an

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enormous animal rolling and plunging on

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the surface

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and it was reported in the awareness

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courier of the newspaper

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wow 1933

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crazy

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fader fact

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all right here you go

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this goes out to patrick the elf

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the white center

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in oreo cookies

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does not contain any dairy

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the fda does not let oreos say

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cream if it contains no cream at all

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it's a mix of

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high fructose corn syrup soy less

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lecithin

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artificial flavors

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and palm and or canola oil

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and it's made white

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with titanium

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dioxide

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i bet it would catch on fire

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i'm gonna leave that right there

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very special guest john greenwald

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the black vault is here tomorrow night

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jason quit is with us we're gonna be

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talking about astral and lucid dreaming

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with jason tomorrow night then wednesday

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night richard dolan is here

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for

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the interview

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that's right that's wednesday night what

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a great week on the show

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man

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they are vegan

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and priests oreos are vegan i i bet you

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know what with the with the with an

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ingredient list like that

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i think you can go vegan

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right

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high fructose corn syrup soy lettuce and

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artificial flavor palm and or canola oil

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titanium dioxide's definitely vegan

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there's no animal components to that at

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all

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so uh there you go vegetarian

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can breeze man

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cass says yes they're vegan

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really

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[Laughter]

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yeah

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oh bad i'm just gonna leave that right

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there john greenwald is with us tonight

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uh tomorrow night jason quit thursday

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night is uh wednesday night's richard

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dolan thursday is another fader night

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with open lines all night long all right

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oh

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man

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today i installed a new

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coffee maker machine

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pretty nice

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brewed a pretty good cup of coffee too

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and it's got a stainless steel carafe

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oh man

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river moon coffee

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river

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good cup of coffee right there and i

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thought i thought my old machine was

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good just one of those i was in the mood

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it's in the mood and and i pulled the

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trigger

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and i was hopeful and it all turned out

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to be

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good

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right

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um oh uh an update

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i

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um

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i'm going to put together a video it's a

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very special guitar but uh

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you guys are going to get to see it

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tomorrow night i cannot wait

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it was one of those things i got the

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call today and i was so busy

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you know it's like an hour drive there

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and back uh two hours

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and i was like man just screw it just go

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just go i just couldn't i couldn't pull

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it off otherwise i would have i'd

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anyway i'll have that tomorrow night

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okay

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now uh more about this weekend

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robots

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yeah so i'm working this weekend

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uh i got uh

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i got

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to work

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eight hours of my life it was it was

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worth it though ozark anyway

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uh

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so i'm in here working and i get sucked

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into

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uh in between listening to the first

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three docket albums like twice each

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so good

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robot videos

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and

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the recent stuff

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in robot tech and the advancements in

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robot tech

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is starting to get pretty freaky i

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posted a few videos here and there but

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really honestly go and

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his stuff is getting really really good

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and

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we used to depend

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on science fiction

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to get us there our imagination

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but now pretty much

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it's all reality

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oh it is

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then it hit me

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it's not the robots that freak me out

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now

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it's

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without emotion

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or feelings

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you tie that into a robot

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that's not going to take anything into

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i've got kids i've got i've got a family

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rips your head off

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you know and you know no emotional

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feelings i raise i rescue puppies i have

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a puppy rescue

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for

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rips your arms and your legs off and

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you know that that's the ai

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that freaks me out

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and now i started to go a little further

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remember the robot and lost in space

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remember that okay you remember his name

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his name

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astronaut robot robinson series class

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ym3 model b9 general utility

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non-theorizing environmental control

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robot

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otherwise known as

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blinky rodney

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gunther

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all right

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that robot

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we were okay

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we're okay with it

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ym3 b9

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he laughed once

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remember when he was cracking jokes

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he was the comedian robot and

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and he had feelings right danger will

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robinson and

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and we were okay

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that version

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of a robot

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is okay

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right now

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you also remember when

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why m3b9 gunther

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went haywire you remember that and

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there's a couple of episodes where

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dr smith wrestled control of of of the

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robot and

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and

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once you know that good side

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was gone

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suddenly he was terrifying

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right

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so that's what you want you want

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an ai with feelings

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but is that dangerous

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right

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so

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as i'm going through these robot videos

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i started to think about

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a robot dog

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watching my house

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and you know and i've seen that you know

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the boston dynamics robot dog and

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and i started to think about that

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then i went to bed

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and i had this dream

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about that robot dog

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and my house

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and this was the dream you know dreams i

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hate it when people go man i had this

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dream let me tell you about my dream as

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soon as you hear that you're like

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uh

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you don't want to hear about anybody's

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i woke up last night in a cold sweat

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and so much so

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that i actually swung my feet off the

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bed and just sat there turned on the

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light

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and had to take a few deep breaths

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because the dream

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was

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uh i go and i i don't think the dream

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had an end by the way

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but i go and i buy this robot dog

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and they tell me

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yep yep he knows you you don't have to

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worry about a thing but anybody

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that

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he'll tear him apart

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no problem i was like okay so i bring

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the dog home dog is

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is acting like a dog sitting on the

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couch

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out in the backyard doing its thing

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patrolling and everything is fine

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and i'm sitting on my couch and the dog

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comes in

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looks at me

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and bites my leg

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and doesn't just bite my leg it's my

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left calf

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right it rips me to shreds

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and and i kick the dog

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and

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it it gets off of me

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and i get outside and i lock the dog in

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the

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house

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and is now chasing me

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forever and this is the other this is

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this is when about when i woke up

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i was

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the dream was about well there was that

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that was the beginning

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the dream was about me

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not sleeping

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up

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four days

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running

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and this dog robot dog

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is not sleeping and i know that

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and i can't stop and rest

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ever

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00:27:04,149 --> 00:26:59,600
and this thing is pursuing me

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and that all happened okay so so

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hold on a minute

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so

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00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:09,600
the dog catches me this is when i woke

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up

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00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,919
the dog catches me and it bites the back

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00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,480
of my shirt i'm running

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it bites the back of my shirt

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00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:24,159
and start swinging me around

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00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,679
like this i mean in in a full circle

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00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:30,080
like my feet are off the ground

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00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,039
and and he's swinging me and i'm in the

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00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,880
air and i can feel my shirt being pulled

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00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,399
in the back and anyway and i'm being

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00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,240
swung around in the air

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00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:42,240
and i freak

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and i wake up

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00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,880
i was like that was the most realistic

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00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:51,200
crazy

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00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:53,360
dream like ever

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all because

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00:28:01,590 --> 00:27:58,159
of lost in space

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00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,600
and where i got sucked into this ai

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00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,200
thing

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00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,279
we can't have you know there's

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terminator and there's this or no

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there's no no emotion right terminator

586
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was a killing machine right and any of

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these were

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just just killing machines no emotion

589
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and that's what got me sucked into this

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thing and had me think about robbie the

591
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,320
robot and how robbie was actually cool

592
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until and then

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and and i wrote this thing out so anyway

594
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so i took a couple of hours off

595
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i wasn't thinking about robots for a

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couple of hours

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i don't know how

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this stuck with me

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to bed to dream state

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and

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terrified

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00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,480
it was too real

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this is fade to black

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i am your host jimmy church

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tonight john greenwald of the black

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vault is with us

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we've got a lot to talk about tonight

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yeah

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i'm glad you guys are uh posting this

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stuff

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this dude kicking the robot dog that's a

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bad move right there

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i learned my lesson this is fade to

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight john greenwald

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is here

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00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,399
yeah man

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00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:30,559
we've got a lot to discuss i went over

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some of the headlines that we're going

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to be going through tonight another

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great dynamic conversation coming up

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with john he began researching the us

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government in 1996 at the age of 15

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targeting the cia the fbi depending on

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the air force army navy nsa and the dia

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by utilizing the freedom of information

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00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:51,840
act he accumulated an astonishing number

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of documents on topics related to ufos

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at jfk assassination chemical biological

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and nuclear weapons and top secret

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aircraft he named that online archive

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the black vault the largest private

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online collection anywhere in the world

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with um with millions of pages

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00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,879
of material his books include beyond ufo

699
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:15,040
secrecy inside the black vault and

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secrets of the black vault everything

701
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:18,480
you need to know about john

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00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,679
is over at theblackvault.com

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i would like to welcome back to fade to

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black john greenwald john it's you and i

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00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:27,679
to get

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00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,079
on the screen yeah

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00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:31,919
welcome welcome to the 21st century

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00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:35,839
doing video i'm excited for you

709
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,599
but i but i will admit i'm a little

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00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:40,159
upset i can't wear my pjs because that's

711
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,440
generally what i do yeah no more

712
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:45,280
and uh you know what i kind of miss it

713
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,560
uh

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00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:47,520
john

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00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:53,440
that he wears yes

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00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,639
yes

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00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:56,560
i i like my shark one better that has

718
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,119
the yeah yeah yeah that's actually

719
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:00,880
pretty cool too i've seen them all

720
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,800
listen um uh i we've got a a bunch of

721
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,800
serious stuff uh to talk about tonight

722
00:35:12,069 --> 00:35:08,960
but i wanted to actually

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00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:12,079
uh and by the way this is very very cool

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and uh

725
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,960
uh thank you uh but the thing is

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00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:18,800
is we have had so many conversations

727
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,560
over the years and the audience never

728
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:21,599
got

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00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,960
to see you

730
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:25,280
and uh so here we go this is this is

731
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,880
really cool first of many shows to come

732
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,280
of course but um i wanted to ask you

733
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,520
this i know that you were listening to

734
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,680
the intro of the show

735
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:36,640
about uh ai and robots

736
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,680
and you've been at the front end of of

737
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,320
technology and computers

738
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:44,400
you know since the beginning it's been

739
00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:45,440
your life

740
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:49,680
um what do you fear uh about a.i if

741
00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:52,400
anything at all

742
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,160
uh humans need to program it to stop

743
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:58,800
and what i mean by that is you can't

744
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,000
essentially teach morality

745
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,880
uh you can't teach them

746
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:07,359
certain human emotions so you need to

747
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,079
program it now you can fool and and

748
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,320
trust me i love this topic but you

749
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:14,560
essentially need to program a point

750
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:16,880
where you say don't do this because the

751
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,839
minute a thinking machine truly starts

752
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,920
thinking for itself

753
00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,240
there are human elements that go along

754
00:36:29,109 --> 00:36:27,280
with our thinking where we stop we stop

755
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:29,119
at certain things we don't do certain

756
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,760
things we don't explore certain avenues

757
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:33,760
or if we do we realize oh we went too

758
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,560
far

759
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,640
we need to program ai to do the same

760
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:38,960
because if you let that slip

761
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:41,119
and you have a true

762
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:42,720
thinking machine

763
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,520
that can utilize a cpu that will be more

764
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:47,599
powerful than the human mind

765
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,960
if it can think for itself but it

766
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,079
doesn't have some of those human

767
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,640
emotions we're in trouble and and it

768
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,480
sounds like a sci-fi

769
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,119
novel or blockbuster movie

770
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,119
but i mean it i mean they they need to

771
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,280
figure out that stop gap

772
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,599
because if they don't we could

773
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:05,040
absolutely

774
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:06,839
find ourselves with

775
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:11,119
a unbeatable enemy and uh it's it's a

776
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:12,560
fascinating

777
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:17,119
i i'm not sure if we've talked about it

778
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,560
before on the air but i in short got got

779
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:23,280
a lot of background with it producing a

780
00:37:26,790 --> 00:37:24,560
couple shows

781
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:26,800
about alien intelligence

782
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:27,920
and

783
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:34,079
the fact that in alien intelligence

784
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:35,839
should they communicate with us will

785
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,400
actually most likely be a machine

786
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,200
intelligence or or one that gets here

787
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,599
and that's why we explored machine

788
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,119
intelligence a lot because that is

789
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,960
exactly what we're doing we have

790
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:48,720
artificial intelligence doing things on

791
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,599
other planets right now uh basic things

792
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,800
but but

793
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,200
it's ai nonetheless and so when you

794
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,359
start sending machines out that can just

795
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,440
make those decisions that's where you

796
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,160
have to teach it to stop because if you

797
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,720
if you tell it to reproduce itself

798
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:07,200
how will it know when to stop destroying

799
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,280
things to get all of those elements to

800
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,440
reproduce itself and and those are the

801
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,960
types of stop gaps that they need to

802
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,960
figure out don't get me started jimmy i

803
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:16,240
love that topic

804
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,560
listen listen i think one of the reasons

805
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:20,560
why i went through this uh

806
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:23,280
nightmare uh it was truly a nightmare

807
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:24,320
last night

808
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:29,040
was that when you start to as as a human

809
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:29,839
uh

810
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,119
look at

811
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:33,440
how these

812
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,520
the physical attributes

813
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,119
of balance

814
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:38,720
of walking

815
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:41,440
that are programmed in because

816
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:42,640
we can

817
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,599
balance ourselves right and and and we

818
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:47,040
as humans

819
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:49,920
see this in other humans how we walk you

820
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,520
know or dogs or you know try to try to

821
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,839
uh to knock a cat over

822
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:57,440
can't do it right

823
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,960
and and so

824
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:01,440
uh this this element of that well all of

825
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:02,400
that

826
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,599
is what you want to have programmed

827
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:08,400
into these robots for balance for

828
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,040
control and so when you when you program

829
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,520
that in effectively with all the

830
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:15,839
gyroscopes and the things and there's so

831
00:39:19,670 --> 00:39:18,000
many sensors and stuff that are

832
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,680
operating at the same time but when you

833
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,720
see it

834
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,880
you see the human it can be the most

835
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,720
mechanical looking

836
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,000
thing it doesn't have to look like a

837
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:28,480
human but it moves human

838
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,040
and it walks human and it jumps human or

839
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:33,760
this boston robotics dog

840
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,880
it doesn't

841
00:39:40,470 --> 00:39:36,880
but it acts like a dog

842
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,480
right it and it's it's it's this crazy

843
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:41,520
thing

844
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:43,920
that i think i took to

845
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,240
it's like my biggest fear so

846
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:48,800
if you have that and you don't have

847
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:51,839
emotion as part of that ai

848
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:54,800
where it's only a one-sided thing that

849
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,920
is a scary thought yeah right

850
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,280
you could probably if somebody's

851
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,920
pointing a gun at you john

852
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:04,000
you might be able to at least talk your

853
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,359
way out of it

854
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,200
right because you're talking to a human

855
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,640
that's got emotions right so maybe

856
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:12,960
maybe you've got a chance

857
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:15,760
but with an ai that doesn't have that in

858
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:18,800
its programming there is no chance yeah

859
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:20,079
and that's what i mean you got it you

860
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,000
got to figure out those stop gaps you

861
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:24,079
know that that you have to teach them

862
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,359
that because

863
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,760
if you only give them so much there will

864
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:29,359
be an intelligence where they can go

865
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:32,560
beyond that without you and and they

866
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:33,920
won't

867
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:39,359
themselves those elements of stopping or

868
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:40,880
not pulling that trigger in your

869
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,680
scenario or whatever it may be

870
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,839
uh and and that is one of the more

871
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,480
fascinating aspects of ai that even

872
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,640
though we're just getting into really

873
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,400
the infant stages of it even though

874
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,480
these things are incredibly advanced

875
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,040
when you see the the the the video of

876
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,119
like boston dynamics and stuff like that

877
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:01,359
uh they're only advanced because we

878
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,119
interpret that as advanced when it comes

879
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:06,000
to ai that's that's infant level i mean

880
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:06,960
the the

881
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,440
implications behind this is staggering

882
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,000
and the the the the one thought that i

883
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,760
want to give you really quick

884
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:15,680
is that we as humans don't actually have

885
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:18,800
to master ai at all we don't have to

886
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,640
create the perfect specimen

887
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:22,800
at all we just have to make it good

888
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,760
enough

889
00:41:29,430 --> 00:41:25,920
to start thinking for itself making the

890
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:29,440
decisions and it will perfect itself

891
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,480
with digital offspring version 2.0 if

892
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,400
you want to call it that and it will

893
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,000
understand oh

894
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,240
this is wrong this this i shouldn't be

895
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,400
doing this because it's not producing

896
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,040
the result that i want i can reprogram

897
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,359
myself and and make it better and again

898
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:46,960
these these all sound like science

899
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,920
fiction scenarios here but but really

900
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,839
it's it's science reality and that's

901
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,680
that's what we're facing with that you

902
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,319
just have to make it good enough

903
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,119
and imperfect ai because the human mind

904
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,280
is is essentially not perfect

905
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,359
and imperfect ai could essentially start

906
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:05,440
perfecting itself and then it doesn't

907
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,520
need us it just goes off and it will do

908
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,560
whatever

909
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,119
it wants and and that's again going back

910
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,520
to that stop gap you need to figure out

911
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,760
how to make it stop and and have an off

912
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,520
switch or you are going to have a war

913
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,800
games or

914
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:20,640
terminator terminator becomes a

915
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,920
documentary uh that kind of stuff

916
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,640
yeah and in terminator 2

917
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:28,640
uh we'll get off this subject because

918
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:29,920
this actually is one of my favorite

919
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,280
movies but this dovetails nicely

920
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,280
into the nimitz and i'll tell you why in

921
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,119
just a second

922
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:38,560
but you're gonna get us in trouble if we

923
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,960
start talking about ai and the nimitz

924
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,920
is

925
00:42:44,349 --> 00:42:43,760
terminator 2

926
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,359
the

927
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,160
t-1000

928
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:48,079
he's tinier

929
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,240
and skinnier than schwarzenegger right

930
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:55,200
but he was like infinitely as scary

931
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:57,920
because he was a killing machine that

932
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:01,200
was not going to stop remember when he's

933
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:06,790
right that that that was

934
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,000
he was

935
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,560
not going to stop

936
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,400
and that's the part right that's that's

937
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,319
what made him so scary you know you've

938
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,040
got schwarzenegger right well right and

939
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:19,040
it was like he was defenseless against

940
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:20,079
this guy

941
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:23,920
um and so on on that same point

942
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,040
back to your point that you need the ai

943
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,200
to just be good enough

944
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,680
and isaac arthur was on the show the

945
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,680
physicist a couple of weeks ago we were

946
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,359
talking about the tic tac

947
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,520
and he said

948
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:41,359
we're talking about von neumann probes

949
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,599
and could the tic tac be just that he

950
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,760
said let me tell you something jimmy

951
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:47,040
he said

952
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:50,160
the reason why that's a possibility

953
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,160
is the characteristics of the tic tac

954
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:55,920
were not smart

955
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,160
they were dumb

956
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:00,400
and that's why i think it could be alien

957
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:02,079
ai i said what do you mean by that he

958
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:02,880
said

959
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:05,040
it was just simply programmed to avoid

960
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,079
trouble

961
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,000
that's it that's all it was doing it's

962
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,680
dumb it's going to come here and collect

963
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,240
its data here on planet earth and and go

964
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,280
and do its thing and avoid problems

965
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,920
and that's what it did it just simply

966
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,920
avoided the f-18s

967
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,800
it didn't do anything hostile it just

968
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,640
protected itself

969
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,480
and i stopped and thought that was one

970
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,079
of the smartest things

971
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:30,720
i've heard about the tic tac yet was

972
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,960
that it it was a dumb

973
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:34,880
you know it's it's a dumb version of ai

974
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:40,160
just simply meant to avoid uh problems

975
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,280
in the same respect it could be

976
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,880
incredibly smart and knew it that it

977
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,040
just didn't want to engage and and that

978
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:47,200
could be absolutely

979
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,560
and i don't want to sound like a skeptic

980
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,680
or debunker here but that could

981
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:51,200
absolutely be

982
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,640
the the human technology uh i get myself

983
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,000
in a lot of trouble when i say that

984
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,680
there's a huge possibility that the

985
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,920
nimitz was was human tech in a a

986
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,079
classified experiment but to be honest

987
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,319
with you i stand by that just simply

988
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:07,599
because i think all of the

989
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,480
i think all of the details would fit

990
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,720
and and many people fire back and say

991
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:14,640
how could the military personnel the

992
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,599
pilots be fooled by that they didn't

993
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,920
recognize it and that's okay it's not

994
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,440
disrespectful to say that they just

995
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,359
didn't recognize it they're just not

996
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,079
read in and you go back decades before

997
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,560
the b-2 stealth bomber the f-117 was

998
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,359
acknowledged and you tell them

999
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,160
a flying wing with stealth capability is

1000
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,680
flying today

1001
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,040
a lot of people would tell you you're

1002
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:39,359
nuts there's no way and yet it was in

1003
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,440
development for decades before we ever

1004
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,280
even realized it was there and i think

1005
00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:45,040
it was jack northrup way back in the day

1006
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:47,520
we wanted a flying wing to actually fly

1007
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,960
and many people said you'll never get a

1008
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,280
flying wing to fly but essentially we

1009
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,240
did we achieved it and it's amazing so

1010
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,079
we have to look at it in the in the in

1011
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,079
the respect that this was a training

1012
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,319
exercise and again people hate me for

1013
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,960
bringing it up but it is a huge

1014
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:04,560
possibility that

1015
00:46:10,550 --> 00:46:08,400
uh that technology was our own and and

1016
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:10,560
whether it be a i or whatever it might

1017
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,359
be

1018
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:13,280
the description that your guest gave

1019
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:16,240
about it being dumb would essentially be

1020
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:17,520
that test

1021
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:19,839
that you know you you're being met with

1022
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,960
ff-18s without weapons

1023
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:24,480
the best of the best the best men and

1024
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,480
women are up there flying our our navy

1025
00:46:29,670 --> 00:46:28,400
and air force jets so

1026
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,680
you're you're putting them against the

1027
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,040
best of the best but there's no

1028
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,640
immediate danger that they're just gonna

1029
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,599
fire

1030
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:35,680
uh at each other above the pacific ocean

1031
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,880
but rather can you figure out what it is

1032
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,880
can you track it can you chase it can

1033
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:42,400
you catch it can you figure out what it

1034
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,200
was

1035
00:46:46,150 --> 00:46:44,720
and and those are the types of things

1036
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,160
that for me

1037
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:49,200
looking at history scream a potential

1038
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:50,640
experiment because then when you try and

1039
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,359
fill in the blank take human tech out

1040
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,359
put alien tech in

1041
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,520
why would they do that you know i'm and

1042
00:47:01,510 --> 00:46:59,280
and it's just because they're watching a

1043
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:01,520
training exercise to be honest with you

1044
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,040
know what are they going to really learn

1045
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:05,760
i'm like that that to me is where you

1046
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:08,000
really get into dissecting an

1047
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,440
intelligent civilization that can

1048
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,359
traverse the stars

1049
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:12,880
would they come here and want to go how

1050
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,800
does an f-18 work

1051
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:16,000
they i mean

1052
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:17,280
truth be told they probably wouldn't

1053
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,560
care

1054
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,160
because they have that technology that

1055
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,160
far surpasses us so that doesn't mean

1056
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:24,400
there's part of these phenomena

1057
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,440
again because i think that there's

1058
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,920
multiple aspects to it uh but there's

1059
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,440
there's

1060
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,760
this doesn't this doesn't define

1061
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,359
everything and i think that that's where

1062
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:35,599
people get upset is that they think oh

1063
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:38,079
well if you dismiss this case or that

1064
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,760
case as

1065
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:42,079
military tech classified tech or a

1066
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,359
balloon

1067
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,359
ergo you have to dismiss all of it as

1068
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,880
military attacker balloon that's not

1069
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,000
true

1070
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,079
you have to drill down case by case and

1071
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:52,000
with the nimitz yeah i can't get i can't

1072
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,680
get out of that yet and i think that

1073
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,359
there's a big possibility that we are

1074
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,720
dealing with

1075
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:59,760
some type of of classified technology

1076
00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:01,119
plus there's a testing ground not too

1077
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:02,720
far away from where the nimitz carrier

1078
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,400
group was was at so you've got that

1079
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:08,079
to put in there as well

1080
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,400
sure and let me ask you this with all of

1081
00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:13,520
your

1082
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,520
document collection

1083
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,240
uh that has gone on since well let's

1084
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,440
just focus on december 2017 to now uh

1085
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,960
when we first

1086
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,480
started to hear about this

1087
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,520
um

1088
00:48:30,549 --> 00:48:27,599
what is your assessment

1089
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:30,559
did the it was the incident real

1090
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:34,640
in that ufo our tech whatever

1091
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,480
but was there a tic-tac-shaped

1092
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,599
craft

1093
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,920
going from 80 000 feet down to sea level

1094
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,880
raining

1095
00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:43,760
uh

1096
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,559
zipping away the incident itself

1097
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:51,920
did it happen

1098
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,599
well i believe the incident absolutely

1099
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,599
happened i've got no doubt about that

1100
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:57,760
did it happen in the way that was seen

1101
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:00,079
on instrumentation

1102
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:01,040
and

1103
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,800
that's where the question marks come in

1104
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,720
uh it's no secret that not all the

1105
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,240
witnesses that have come forward all

1106
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,880
have the same exact story but from

1107
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:14,720
different vantage points they don't

1108
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,559
there's varying degrees of the story

1109
00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:18,720
that's okay that's human nature but we

1110
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:20,960
have to figure out what really is there

1111
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:23,359
now did did did this craft come down

1112
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,640
from 80 000 to near sea level in seconds

1113
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:28,800
i to be honest with you that sounds like

1114
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:32,319
some type of technology to to emulate

1115
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,040
that but maybe not necessarily actually

1116
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,079
do it um and again this is always makes

1117
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,839
me cringe worthy because

1118
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,520
a lot of people don't want to think

1119
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:43,440
about that they they want to believe

1120
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,160
that those that have come forward

1121
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,800
are absolutely 100 percent

1122
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:50,960
accurate i believe they're truthful

1123
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:53,119
don't get me wrong but whether or not it

1124
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,359
truly happened that way

1125
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:57,359
is something we all should should feel

1126
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:59,920
comfortable questioning and and i think

1127
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,440
some people equate that well you're

1128
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:03,599
insulting them right you're putting them

1129
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,119
down you're insulting their highly

1130
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,680
trained uh intelligence and backgrounds

1131
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,119
and i just don't see it that way i've

1132
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,960
got more respect for the men and women

1133
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:14,000
in our military uh than anyone and and i

1134
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:15,440
think it's okay

1135
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,200
to say you know what they may not be

1136
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:19,520
privy to every classified platform

1137
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,520
that's out there and i think in the same

1138
00:50:27,589 --> 00:50:24,000
respect the military does not brief

1139
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,599
every pilot radar operator uh

1140
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,000
fill in the blank that that may be

1141
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:33,119
witness to something like this so

1142
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,800
sadly i think that many people again

1143
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,720
equate that to an insult and it's really

1144
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,119
not it's that we we are dealing with a

1145
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,960
2004

1146
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,000
incident

1147
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:44,240
we have varying degrees

1148
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:47,200
of witness testimony uh we can't get

1149
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,640
away from the fact that one of the

1150
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,599
pilots uh david fravor

1151
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,000
said that uh the the witness testimony

1152
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,640
from some on the princeton didn't happen

1153
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,400
why would he say that you know and so

1154
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:00,800
that that supports the fact that they

1155
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,359
all don't agree on the way that this all

1156
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,200
unfolded so

1157
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,880
2004 now it's 2022 will we know the the

1158
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:11,520
answer i'm not sure i mean if it is

1159
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,000
classified tech we may never know we may

1160
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,079
know 10 years from now we we may know

1161
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:18,240
next week i really don't know but it's i

1162
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,680
think it's like one of those roswell

1163
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,280
things where it'll go on for years and

1164
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:23,839
years and there'll be these warring

1165
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,559
factions on trying to figure out what

1166
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,480
happened and at the end of the day you

1167
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:30,720
have very reliable witnesses you have

1168
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,119
amazing stories and we have to figure

1169
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:35,359
out what truly happened

1170
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,559
versus what some may have thought

1171
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:40,720
happened and that's not insulting by the

1172
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:41,520
way

1173
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,599
that's just the reality of of people

1174
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:46,240
recollecting a 2004 event

1175
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:50,480
well okay so then does this go back

1176
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,440
uh

1177
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,440
where you're trying to i'm speaking

1178
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,240
about

1179
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,240
you specifically john we're trying to

1180
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,640
rationalize all of this and fit it into

1181
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,319
a terrestrial

1182
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:02,240
uh uh

1183
00:52:05,589 --> 00:52:03,440
viewpoint

1184
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,599
is this going back to you know the

1185
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:06,960
famous quote

1186
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:09,440
if we encounter technology far beyond

1187
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:12,240
our own we would equate it with magic

1188
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,000
and that

1189
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,839
you know we're not understanding you're

1190
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:17,280
not i'm not

1191
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,319
you know 80 000 feet to sea level in

1192
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,079
under a second

1193
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:24,480
that that's that's magic that doesn't

1194
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:25,760
fit our

1195
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,200
our technology or our known physics

1196
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:31,680
is that because it did quite possibly

1197
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:34,640
could be alien tech and and we need to

1198
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,640
keep that on the table

1199
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,400
sure and let me ask you just because

1200
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,079
it's been a while since i've i've looked

1201
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:41,839
at exactly all the different witnesses

1202
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,960
what they say was there a visual uh

1203
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:47,359
observation of the 80 000 to 100 feet or

1204
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:49,040
was that instrumentation that was

1205
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:50,480
instrumentation so i didn't want to

1206
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,119
misspeak so thank you for yeah

1207
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,160
um now this is according to

1208
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,400
uh everybody that i've had on the show

1209
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,480
that i've talked to directly about this

1210
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,119
you know kevin day and so forth that uh

1211
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:06,720
it was multiple radar systems right okay

1212
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:09,599
it wasn't just one it was multiple radar

1213
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:11,040
systems that were picking up the same

1214
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,079
data

1215
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,599
right and so i just wanted to make sure

1216
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,280
that i didn't misspeak but i think that

1217
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,599
that's where we have to figure out okay

1218
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:19,280
it could this be

1219
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:22,319
a a platform that is able to emulate

1220
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:25,599
that because when you look at the

1221
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,040
strategic value to start creating ghosts

1222
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,960
right that you're utilizing magic in the

1223
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,720
field i think magic definitely plays a

1224
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,160
role in this

1225
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:36,400
but quite possibly in a different way

1226
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,319
where you're creating ghosts for the

1227
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,960
enemy to chase that you're emulating

1228
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,040
certain

1229
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:45,520
characteristics of craft that you could

1230
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,079
be or could not be engaging the enemy

1231
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:50,480
with there's a huge strategic value with

1232
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:51,280
that

1233
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,559
and and i i mean i'm always fascinated

1234
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,359
with those types of of uh strategic

1235
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,880
moves and and research that the

1236
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,280
government has and military has done

1237
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:03,760
to fool the enemy not necessarily have

1238
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:05,920
the best technology

1239
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,480
but rather make them think you do

1240
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,800
and and that's where that that greatest

1241
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,160
trick of the magician look in my right

1242
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,839
hand so you don't know what my left is

1243
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:16,000
doing right that plays a role here

1244
00:54:20,549 --> 00:54:18,319
because now we question whether or not

1245
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,559
we actually have that technology whether

1246
00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:22,559
or not we're being visited by an alien

1247
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,440
race

1248
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:26,160
or there's technology to make us think

1249
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,480
that there is that technology right and

1250
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,319
so you have a lot of ways to look at it

1251
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,960
and and it is a provable history with

1252
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,280
not only psychological warfare but

1253
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:38,160
essentially creating illusions in the

1254
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:40,799
battlefield and and that's why stealth

1255
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,119
technology is is implemented in the

1256
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,280
field you have radar signatures that are

1257
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,520
sometimes non-existent or

1258
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,160
they are made to create the illusion of

1259
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,400
some other type of craft so you have a

1260
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,640
lot of spoofing going on you have all

1261
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,480
sorts of things to consider

1262
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:58,480
so that's not necessarily being a

1263
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,280
skeptic or a debunker but rather being

1264
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,520
based in reality this is what they are

1265
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,240
doing this is what they are pursuing so

1266
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:08,640
instead of taking a thousand aircraft

1267
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,839
and invading you know a an enemy of some

1268
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:13,760
kind make them think you have a thousand

1269
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,359
aircraft and that's the technology that

1270
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,520
we know is being developed and and

1271
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,880
whether or not it's implemented who

1272
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,119
knows but again i'm more talking broadly

1273
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,200
speaking here but those are the types of

1274
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,760
possibilities now when you talk about

1275
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,839
witnesses to a ufo encounter

1276
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,880
instrumentation only observations which

1277
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,000
is great

1278
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:36,559
i'm not i'm not uh dismissing it at all

1279
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:39,040
but we have to then look at the root of

1280
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,280
of what potentially could be the cause

1281
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,319
alien human tech or literally go well

1282
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,400
figuratively ghosts

1283
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,760
well i if uh history

1284
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,319
uh it's simple to look at uh you know

1285
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,079
during world war ii

1286
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:56,640
uh before the normandy invasion

1287
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:57,440
we

1288
00:56:03,990 --> 00:55:59,680
had inflatable tanks

1289
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:04,000
lined up in in the uk balloon tanks yeah

1290
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,440
lined up thousands of them so when enemy

1291
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:10,000
uh you know the luftwaffe uh luftwaffe

1292
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:11,200
or whoever

1293
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,559
um is is flying over and and looking

1294
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:16,880
they see a thousand tanks but

1295
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:19,760
they're balloons and and and i'm so glad

1296
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,760
you brought it up because i i tried to

1297
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,240
stay away from that it they believed

1298
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,079
hitler believed that it was coming from

1299
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,720
pade kalei i believe in france with all

1300
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,440
those balloon tanks and the production

1301
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:33,520
company that i used to work with did a

1302
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,720
full show

1303
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:36,319
uh i think they called it war

1304
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:39,520
illusionists and it was all about how

1305
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:42,400
you in war can create the illusion and

1306
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:45,280
it worked and that was a a prime example

1307
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,480
i'm glad you brought up because i just

1308
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,400
didn't want to you know derail to a

1309
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,680
world war ii story but i'm glad you

1310
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,359
brought it up because you're absolutely

1311
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,280
right where you had these tanks and

1312
00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:55,359
there's a really cool video i think it

1313
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,119
was an army guy that was like literally

1314
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,640
pushing over a tank

1315
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:00,400
because it was a giant you know just

1316
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,799
balloon that rested on the ground

1317
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,920
yeah

1318
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,160
the nazis thought it was the he

1319
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,599
they never thought it was coming from

1320
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:08,960
the beaches of normandy they thought it

1321
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:10,720
was coming from the north and that was

1322
00:57:15,510 --> 00:57:13,760
the that was the illusion and so that's

1323
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,520
that's a much more simplified way of

1324
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,240
looking at it but but the um the

1325
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,559
strategy is exactly the same make your

1326
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:23,280
enemy think that your tech is here or

1327
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,760
it's it's this capable it can go this

1328
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,359
fast doesn't matter

1329
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,359
that is a provable history going back to

1330
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:32,079
world war ii and likely even before but

1331
00:57:35,190 --> 00:57:33,520
yeah you nailed it i'm glad you brought

1332
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,200
that up because it's a fascinating

1333
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:37,839
fascinating piece of history there's a

1334
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:40,880
another part to this and i'm still i'm

1335
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,280
i'm still leaning on the alien side of

1336
00:57:49,510 --> 00:57:45,839
this and i and believe me i've gone both

1337
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,520
ways over the years uh but here's

1338
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,160
i reported on this four maybe five years

1339
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:53,520
ago

1340
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,760
pre-dating

1341
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:58,000
december 2017

1342
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,520
that

1343
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:02,000
the department of defense uh and

1344
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,960
specifically darpa

1345
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,200
has been working on

1346
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:09,440
a spoofing

1347
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,799
uh

1348
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:13,280
technique with with plasma and

1349
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:15,040
projections

1350
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,200
of of stuff out there that would get

1351
00:58:21,510 --> 00:58:19,520
picked up on the enemy radar that

1352
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,520
wouldn't only be an object but it would

1353
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:23,599
look like a plane or it would look like

1354
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,559
this

1355
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,240
and and you could get that to do

1356
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,920
specific things now you're not going to

1357
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:29,040
see it

1358
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:30,720
right it's not going to be a physical

1359
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:32,160
aircraft but you can have it do

1360
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:33,760
incredible things and you can throw this

1361
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,799
off a radar and also that would operate

1362
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,480
at the speed of light

1363
00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,799
right so when the

1364
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,200
uh tic tac reports came out

1365
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:45,440
now i started to think about this 80 000

1366
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:49,119
feet to sea level in less than a second

1367
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,240
and what a better way to do it than with

1368
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,160
you know a flashlight

1369
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:56,640
right you know or the same idea that you

1370
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:57,839
know and

1371
00:59:02,789 --> 00:58:59,599
the technology itself is not that

1372
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,799
complicated right this isn't defying

1373
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:05,520
physics it's just applying available

1374
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:08,880
technology to spoof radar systems

1375
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:11,520
yeah and and i think that that's what we

1376
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,920
that's the mindset that we have to be in

1377
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,839
to look at these types of cases and you

1378
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,400
brought up the the the quote about if if

1379
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,480
you see it you don't understand it you

1380
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,400
equate it to magic

1381
00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:24,319
in today's world it's you equate it to

1382
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:25,839
aliens you know that it's not

1383
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:28,559
necessarily magic but rather this has to

1384
00:59:33,750 --> 00:59:30,880
be an intelligent race from somewhere

1385
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:33,760
beyond uh but the reality is is that

1386
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:37,200
humans us americans here in in in the

1387
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,559
united states

1388
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:40,400
that is what we are doing and that is

1389
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,119
something we have pursued for decades

1390
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,200
going back to the development of stealth

1391
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:47,119
and so on and so forth there's a lot of

1392
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,480
rumors i don't think that it's been

1393
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,880
declassified yet as far as i know but i

1394
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,319
know that they were experimenting with

1395
00:59:57,030 --> 00:59:54,880
the projection of essentially like a

1396
00:59:59,829 --> 00:59:57,040
stealth but they would have mounted

1397
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,839
equipment on a plane with with it being

1398
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,440
made out of a material that when you

1399
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:03,280
would project back

1400
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:05,599
you could make it invisible and so you'd

1401
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,119
have an equipment on one side of the

1402
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,599
aircraft to get the picture the sky

1403
01:00:13,589 --> 01:00:11,680
whatever was on the other side then

1404
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,599
something on the other craft to project

1405
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:15,839
it and essentially you would make that

1406
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,920
plane vanish because you're looking

1407
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:19,280
right through it

1408
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:20,960
and it would be flying i mean those are

1409
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:23,440
all types of of technology that they've

1410
01:00:28,230 --> 01:00:26,799
been either implementing or developing

1411
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,240
or just thinking about doesn't really

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01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:30,400
matter but yeah

1413
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,200
there's another another version of that

1414
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:35,280
where you have a plane uh i've got to

1415
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:36,720
take a break here in 20 seconds i'm

1416
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:38,079
going to do this really quick you have a

1417
01:00:43,750 --> 01:00:40,079
plane you have a camera pointed to the

1418
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:43,760
sky above the plane underneath the plane

1419
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:46,160
is a led screen

1420
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:49,280
right so whatever is the camera and and

1421
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,280
then that is projected underneath and

1422
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:52,880
that's all you're going to see is you're

1423
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:55,200
going to see the the sky

1424
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:56,559
you're not going to see the actual plane

1425
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,839
let's take our break right here our

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01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:00,000
guest tonight the one and only john

1427
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:02,079
greenwald of the black vault when we

1428
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,599
come back we're going to jump into ttsa

1429
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:07,280
state to black i am your host jimmy

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church

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i'm the game changer and on x networks

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more with john after this short break

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stay with us

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01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:22,870
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

1533
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:24,240
your host jimmy church as you can see

1534
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:26,960
tonight john greenwald is with us

1535
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,440
normally i've got john in the green room

1536
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:31,680
and you're going to see me in a pop-up

1537
01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,680
and and and no

1538
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:36,000
uh every

1539
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:38,079
i'll get the hang of this uh video

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01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:39,520
director stuff

1541
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:41,920
um john uh

1542
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:44,079
ttsa

1543
01:06:49,990 --> 01:06:47,440
oh man okay i i almost don't know where

1544
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:50,000
to start with this but uh

1545
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:51,119
the

1546
01:06:57,109 --> 01:06:54,480
latest sec filings uh uh were just

1547
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:57,119
released how much trouble is is ttsa in

1548
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,880
right now

1549
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,400
if you're talking about financially i'm

1550
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,799
going to say up front i'm not i'm not

1551
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,799
versed in those types of financial

1552
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,319
reports to

1553
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,160
speculate on whether or not they're

1554
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,559
they're in trouble what i will say it's

1555
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:12,960
very jarring when you look at deficits

1556
01:07:17,670 --> 01:07:15,839
and debt and stuff like that uh and and

1557
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,680
i don't think although i haven't really

1558
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:19,599
matched them up since they've that since

1559
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,119
they've came about

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01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:23,520
i believe it's growing so

1561
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,039
i you know i

1562
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:27,920
i've always since day one despite some

1563
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:30,319
criticism about parts of the story have

1564
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:33,039
wished tom delonge all the best with his

1565
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:34,640
business i've never

1566
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:37,680
uh wished him ill i i own my own

1567
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:39,039
business away from the black vault

1568
01:07:42,069 --> 01:07:40,000
myself

1569
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,079
and and i really do encourage people if

1570
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,240
they want to start a business or in his

1571
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:46,799
case a public benefit corporation

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01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:49,039
i wish them all the best i really truly

1573
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:51,280
do i don't wish them any ill ill harm

1574
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:52,400
but

1575
01:07:59,029 --> 01:07:56,640
i am let down at the way that they came

1576
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:59,039
about and going back to your question

1577
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:00,400
although i don't pretend to know

1578
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:02,960
everything about those financials when

1579
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:04,960
you look at some of the other aspects of

1580
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,440
ttsa they've just kind of fallen to the

1581
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:09,760
wayside and i know with kovid and the

1582
01:08:14,230 --> 01:08:11,920
era we live in adjustments have to be

1583
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,240
made but it just seems like they are way

1584
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:16,960
off the mark of what they originally

1585
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:19,600
were and specifically i have watched

1586
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:22,000
that army agreement the what they call

1587
01:08:25,749 --> 01:08:23,359
the krata

1588
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:25,759
more than all else i mean i am i am

1589
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:27,679
really kind of invested in following

1590
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:30,159
that and trying to figure out

1591
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,520
what exactly

1592
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:33,520
they're doing so i don't know if you

1593
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,960
want to get into that but when it comes

1594
01:08:37,749 --> 01:08:36,239
to the financials i don't want to

1595
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:37,759
pretend like i know what i'm talking

1596
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:39,839
about

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i don't either and

1598
01:08:45,910 --> 01:08:43,759
i i know

1599
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:45,920
that and this has to be the way that it

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is when you're at that level

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01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,560
of of money

1602
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,719
and success and wealth i'm specifically

1603
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:54,560
talking about tom delong

1604
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,440
you now have people around you that

1605
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:00,159
handle your money and and do your stuff

1606
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:02,319
right that's that's it tom tom's not

1607
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,120
doing that and so when you look at these

1608
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:06,719
financials

1609
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:10,719
these are put together for the sec

1610
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by

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his his accountants and his bankers and

1612
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:16,400
his financial people

1613
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:20,799
um and so they they move money and

1614
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:23,199
and talk about money in ways that i just

1615
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:25,440
don't have a concept of i i don't i

1616
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,400
don't

1617
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:28,000
uh but

1618
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,799
how

1619
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:31,040
when you see numbers like

1620
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:33,759
whatever 30 million 35 million in debt

1621
01:09:37,749 --> 01:09:36,000
50 million in debt 10 million in debt

1622
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:37,759
whatever these they're they're big

1623
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:40,960
numbers and you have to ask yourself how

1624
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,719
do you arrive

1625
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:44,960
at that kind of loss

1626
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,359
and then um and my other side says

1627
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,520
it's just a play on words it's a play

1628
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,279
with money that can't be the real

1629
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:55,760
situation i don't pretend to understand

1630
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,520
it i'm just looking at these crazy

1631
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,360
numbers yeah i'm thinking about how did

1632
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,719
they get there

1633
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,560
and and again

1634
01:10:06,550 --> 01:10:04,480
you know they've got the sec they've got

1635
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:06,560
investors they're selling stock they're

1636
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:09,520
doing this and they're playing money

1637
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:10,960
games right

1638
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,199
and and that's what's happening and i i

1639
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,600
just simply don't understand it

1640
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,080
neither do i and i and i have no idea

1641
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,239
how they would get out of that or if

1642
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:22,239
they can and and

1643
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,239
although i don't pretend to know not to

1644
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:27,120
repeat it there was a comment in those

1645
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:28,719
financials that

1646
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,760
the auditor expressed concern on whether

1647
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,520
or not this corporation should keep

1648
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:34,719
going so

1649
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:36,239
i think there's something to be said

1650
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,320
that even though we may not understand

1651
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:40,719
the ins and outs the auditor of these

1652
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,600
financials is expressing concern and you

1653
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:45,520
can see those in in the finance in the

1654
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:49,120
uh sec paperwork as well so it's clear

1655
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,159
that

1656
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,080
it's not going well

1657
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,040
and and i think by their restructuring

1658
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,199
and kind of pretty much letting things

1659
01:11:02,149 --> 01:11:00,080
fall to the wayside i think they are

1660
01:11:04,470 --> 01:11:02,159
trying to adjust and and again as a

1661
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:04,480
business i i hope they succeed

1662
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:07,360
and and uh and and move forward in that

1663
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,159
way

1664
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,560
but i i think that again going back to

1665
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,719
that army agreement

1666
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,120
i'm really kind of scratching my head on

1667
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,000
on that and and how they have talked

1668
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:20,640
about it over the last couple of years

1669
01:11:23,590 --> 01:11:22,400
how they essentially sold it to the

1670
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:23,600
public

1671
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,880
so to speak

1672
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:26,880
and look where we are now and although

1673
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:29,440
that they fell back on the covet excuse

1674
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:30,560
that the

1675
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,880
laboratories were shut down and although

1676
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,520
i did find out that was partially true

1677
01:11:39,910 --> 01:11:37,520
can you believe that i actually got more

1678
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:39,920
information from the army not even

1679
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:42,320
utilizing foia although i did and got

1680
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:44,800
information but was able to get more

1681
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:48,239
information from the us army than i was

1682
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,360
from the public benefit corporation ttsa

1683
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:53,120
and that to me is very telling so

1684
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:55,520
financials aside i'm really concerned

1685
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,199
what are they doing you know i mean

1686
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,760
they're preaching about transparency but

1687
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,760
they don't want to tell us anything the

1688
01:12:06,390 --> 01:12:03,840
army i got them to admit that they've

1689
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,400
tested this material

1690
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,960
that ttsa says that they've acquired and

1691
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,560
i know they have i know a couple

1692
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:12,640
personally but uh that they've acquired

1693
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:15,760
this material they won't say uh what the

1694
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,600
results or anything were and although i

1695
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:19,600
didn't get the results from the army

1696
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:22,000
last year i was able to get them to

1697
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:24,080
admit that they did testing and at that

1698
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:26,960
point ttsa wouldn't uh even talk about

1699
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,080
it so

1700
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,920
there's a lot of secrecy involved with

1701
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:31,120
the corporation that preaches

1702
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:32,640
transparency

1703
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,480
so let's let's stay with kratom

1704
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,159
before we get there

1705
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:41,440
um hal put off

1706
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:44,960
is there some comments in in there that

1707
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,000
did he have a shift in position was he

1708
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:50,560
was he on the board and not on the board

1709
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:53,440
now is he just a he was a founder and on

1710
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:54,640
the board

1711
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,120
and although i thought it was new

1712
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:59,600
apparently it was quietly done i say

1713
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:01,040
quietly because it wasn't really a lot

1714
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:04,960
of talk about it last year so i had

1715
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:07,199
noted that i thought that was new

1716
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,040
uh and even put in there you know people

1717
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:11,040
correct me if i'm wrong and some of the

1718
01:13:15,270 --> 01:13:12,880
investors were aware and they corrected

1719
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,280
me and and rightfully so

1720
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,440
but i kind of looked into that and

1721
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,440
thought okay like where was this talked

1722
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,199
about was there maybe not a press

1723
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,960
release but generally you'll see stuff

1724
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:25,440
like that very little talk and chatter

1725
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:28,080
on social media so the founder dr hal

1726
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:29,040
put off

1727
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:30,560
who was on the board

1728
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:33,280
last year stepped down from the board

1729
01:13:37,270 --> 01:13:35,920
and now just resides on the advisory

1730
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:37,280
board and

1731
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:38,719
i mean who really knows what the

1732
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,640
advisory board really does i mean it's

1733
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,199
more just like a list of people

1734
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,560
uh so you know how much involvement he

1735
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:48,480
has in the day-to-day

1736
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:51,040
who knows but it was definitely a shift

1737
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:52,159
last year

1738
01:13:57,189 --> 01:13:54,880
that was done likely very quietly

1739
01:13:58,470 --> 01:13:57,199
now and i bring that up in advance of

1740
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:58,480
creda

1741
01:14:02,470 --> 01:13:59,679
because

1742
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:02,480
i would have thought that uh hal would

1743
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:04,880
have had a direct interest

1744
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:07,440
in not only the materials because he's

1745
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:08,960
been working with them

1746
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:12,000
but the results uh from the military

1747
01:14:16,390 --> 01:14:13,199
testing

1748
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,400
and he apparently quit or stepped down

1749
01:14:21,830 --> 01:14:18,800
almost a year ago

1750
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:21,840
now has the army

1751
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,679
completed the testing on these materials

1752
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:27,840
likely not completed they didn't tell me

1753
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:30,320
that but they started it and completed

1754
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:31,840
certain tests

1755
01:14:35,590 --> 01:14:34,000
so i was able to get that from the army

1756
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:35,600
last year

1757
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,440
in conjunction with a foia release of

1758
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,520
documents that i got and

1759
01:14:43,830 --> 01:14:41,360
the denial of documents so there's a lot

1760
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:43,840
of secrecy involved when it comes to the

1761
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,560
foia trying to get this and and honestly

1762
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:48,719
this is i'll support the secrecy as much

1763
01:14:54,149 --> 01:14:51,360
as i don't want to it protects corporate

1764
01:14:57,510 --> 01:14:54,159
interests so it's ultimately going to be

1765
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:57,520
from what i can see here ttsa's decision

1766
01:15:00,790 --> 01:14:59,520
on how much they will ultimately release

1767
01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:00,800
to the public

1768
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,760
and

1769
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,840
i say that because

1770
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:06,400
foia exemption b4

1771
01:15:12,870 --> 01:15:08,640
allows the government

1772
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:12,880
to essentially redact and keep

1773
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:15,040
corporate secrets proprietary

1774
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:17,120
information so when they work with

1775
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,640
private corporations or public

1776
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:20,960
corporations uh they want certain

1777
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:23,360
details to protect for that corporation

1778
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:25,199
and rightfully so as much as i want to

1779
01:15:28,709 --> 01:15:26,000
know

1780
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,719
everything that's going on that that b4

1781
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,960
exemption is there for a reason so

1782
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,880
that's what's going on when it comes to

1783
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:34,560
foia and trying to figure out what these

1784
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:36,560
test results are because essentially

1785
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:38,800
it's ttsa's material

1786
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:42,080
and the results therefore would be ttsa

1787
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:44,400
property the agreement says that they

1788
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:47,920
will share those results with the army

1789
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:50,320
but foia exemption b4 will keep it from

1790
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:52,719
you and i it will ultimately be up to

1791
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:55,520
ttsa to say okay public

1792
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:58,080
this is what we found out and

1793
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,080
time will tell on whether or not they're

1794
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:02,320
going to do that when i did reach out to

1795
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,360
ttsa last year when i wrote that article

1796
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:08,000
and got those documents and got the army

1797
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,440
feedback on it

1798
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:11,440
uh asked them you know is there anything

1799
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,159
that you can add and they would not

1800
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,040
rather they sent me to a stack of sec

1801
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:19,440
filings and meeting minutes and stuff

1802
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,159
like that with no guide whatsoever like

1803
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,560
hey look here or look there they just

1804
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,920
said everything you need to know is in

1805
01:16:29,430 --> 01:16:26,880
that and

1806
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:29,440
anybody looks at sec papers and meeting

1807
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:31,040
minutes and stuff like that it's just a

1808
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:32,159
mountain

1809
01:16:37,430 --> 01:16:34,880
of information so i looked i didn't see

1810
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:37,440
anything um i did hear in their recent

1811
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:39,760
meeting which i believe was last week uh

1812
01:16:44,669 --> 01:16:42,320
they said that the credit continued

1813
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,679
and that they were you know kind of

1814
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,440
re-reopened so to speak and meaning the

1815
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:49,920
army the facilities and that the credit

1816
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:53,040
is ongoing so at least they they

1817
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:54,719
said that much in their meeting to their

1818
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:57,920
investors but at this point it

1819
01:17:02,709 --> 01:17:00,560
it could be years if not

1820
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,719
ever that we we hear something and

1821
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,920
that's um

1822
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,360
that's a shame i don't

1823
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:06,880
i don't want to speak for anybody who

1824
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:09,280
who either lent or sold

1825
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:12,159
their material over to ttsa

1826
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:13,440
i'm going to take a stab in the dark and

1827
01:17:16,229 --> 01:17:14,159
say

1828
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,239
they probably didn't expect that meaning

1829
01:17:20,709 --> 01:17:18,640
the the secrecy the the shielding of the

1830
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,719
results the lack of communication to the

1831
01:17:24,390 --> 01:17:22,560
public so we're not dealing with a

1832
01:17:26,470 --> 01:17:24,400
corporation and i want to stress this

1833
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,480
part because it may sound like i'm i'm

1834
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:27,920
trashing them

1835
01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:30,239
i'm trashing the idea that they are a

1836
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,440
public benefit corporation not one that

1837
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:35,679
is supposed to be going through all of

1838
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:36,960
this for

1839
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,360
solely for profit reasons

1840
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:41,199
so if they were a corporation that was

1841
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,560
trying to

1842
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:44,560
what create some kind of advanced

1843
01:17:49,270 --> 01:17:46,880
aerospace tech sure i can actually

1844
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,280
support that corporate level of secrecy

1845
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,159
for proprietary information that's fine

1846
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:54,239
but that's not what this was this was a

1847
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:56,880
public benefit corporation that felt

1848
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,239
that they should acquire all these

1849
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,080
pieces of metamaterial last i heard it

1850
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,400
was like what like 14 or something like

1851
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:04,960
that that were allegedly from uap

1852
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:08,000
signed deals to either get it on loan or

1853
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:11,120
in linda molten house case purchased it

1854
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:14,480
and the results were what i thought were

1855
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:16,000
going to be shared

1856
01:18:20,790 --> 01:18:19,040
and yet now we're focusing on

1857
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:20,800
entertainment

1858
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:23,199
tv shows documentaries movies and it

1859
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,800
seems like the creator has very much

1860
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,800
fallen to the wayside so to a

1861
01:18:31,350 --> 01:18:29,760
corporation that can potentially the way

1862
01:18:33,430 --> 01:18:31,360
it was sold to us

1863
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:33,440
changed the world

1864
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,360
why aren't they being a little bit more

1865
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,600
forthcoming with what they're seeing

1866
01:18:41,189 --> 01:18:39,360
what they're achieving even if it's

1867
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:41,199
nothing just say look this is where

1868
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:42,480
we're at

1869
01:18:45,830 --> 01:18:44,239
but but sadly i haven't seen that and

1870
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:45,840
last year i gave him the opportunity to

1871
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:48,800
do that and i even said the army is more

1872
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:51,600
transparent right now than you guys uh

1873
01:18:55,350 --> 01:18:52,320
and

1874
01:18:56,470 --> 01:18:55,360
nobody cares so they they no comment

1875
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:56,480
yeah and

1876
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,199
so when we look at the structure of ttsa

1877
01:19:02,709 --> 01:19:01,280
which they had these different divisions

1878
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:02,719
right three

1879
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:03,840
um

1880
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:06,400
now it seems to be

1881
01:19:10,950 --> 01:19:09,920
just entertainment which is the focus

1882
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:10,960
so

1883
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,400
um with uh you know justice is gone uh

1884
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:17,199
hal put off uh has stepped down uh

1885
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:19,360
semi-van is is still there

1886
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,280
but uh chris mellon

1887
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:23,520
um i did look at the uh

1888
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:25,920
at the financials the the less

1889
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:28,960
i mean who is left are are doctors

1890
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:31,120
right and that's that's basically it no

1891
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:32,800
engineering or

1892
01:19:39,189 --> 01:19:36,000
i would say aerospace engineers are or

1893
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:39,199
anywhere near ttsa so where does that

1894
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:41,040
leave us if the crater comes back and

1895
01:19:44,310 --> 01:19:42,400
there's something significant about

1896
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:44,320
these meta materials

1897
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,520
how do you

1898
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:48,000
do you go back and restart this

1899
01:19:51,590 --> 01:19:50,239
technology division and and build an

1900
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:51,600
anti-grav

1901
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:55,840
uh passenger uh aircraft right

1902
01:20:02,310 --> 01:19:58,640
what what's next or is it just going to

1903
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:02,320
be books and and and music

1904
01:20:05,830 --> 01:20:04,159
in my opinion it's going to be books and

1905
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:05,840
music i i think that they've had the

1906
01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:08,480
material long enough

1907
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:10,480
at this point to

1908
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:14,000
to realize if if it was something truly

1909
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:15,760
groundbreaking

1910
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:18,880
humanity altering earth-shattering

1911
01:20:22,629 --> 01:20:20,000
news

1912
01:20:25,910 --> 01:20:22,639
that their focus would be on that

1913
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:25,920
and and it's really unfortunate because

1914
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:28,159
i have a per at least one personal

1915
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,360
connection

1916
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:31,600
to one of the individuals who has a

1917
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:33,600
piece of what they acquired

1918
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:36,400
so that's why i get personally invested

1919
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,480
this ties back and you brought it up on

1920
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:40,239
your show that's why i'm bringing it up

1921
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:42,719
you brought it up with luis elizondo so

1922
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:45,600
i've known larry seekander for years i

1923
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:47,760
knew bob white personally

1924
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,080
for years before he passed

1925
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,400
i had gotten him on a couple history

1926
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:54,159
channel shows i had produced

1927
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:56,639
we profiled him on ufo hunters the

1928
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,199
documentary that i did and then later we

1929
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:01,840
brought him back on ufo hunters itself

1930
01:21:05,830 --> 01:21:03,679
uh that the series that more people know

1931
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:05,840
about uh when i had produced for season

1932
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,320
three the reason i say that is we sat

1933
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:10,960
down with bob for hours filming with

1934
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:13,679
larry dr robert gibbons

1935
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,000
we enlisted the help of scientists and

1936
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,840
and did tests that we could afford for a

1937
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,400
history channel these are individuals

1938
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:22,800
that are incredibly passionate

1939
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:25,360
about what they have experienced or in

1940
01:21:28,870 --> 01:21:26,800
larry's case

1941
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:28,880
seen his good friend bob who has passed

1942
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:31,600
away experience and has tried to carry

1943
01:21:36,390 --> 01:21:34,159
that torch to get answers

1944
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,400
i don't speak for larry so i don't know

1945
01:21:41,350 --> 01:21:39,040
if this is how he feels but how i feel

1946
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:41,360
is that you can't take that from people

1947
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,480
and shield it when their work literally

1948
01:21:49,510 --> 01:21:46,800
it became bob's work i know he became

1949
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:49,520
controversial with some decisions he did

1950
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,960
but that being said i mean his story

1951
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,120
was pretty interesting past multiple lie

1952
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:57,120
detector tests he never wavered from the

1953
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:58,880
details that he had

1954
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:01,280
i mean we fully recreated it with actors

1955
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:02,800
and props and everything his entire

1956
01:22:07,430 --> 01:22:05,120
experience and when you look at the

1957
01:22:10,070 --> 01:22:07,440
individual himself and what he

1958
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,080
experienced to see that kind of stuff

1959
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:12,719
taken away from them and just swallowed

1960
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,199
up for for literally years at this point

1961
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:17,760
it's frustrating and and at that point i

1962
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,400
always try to not make it personal but

1963
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:22,480
you can't help but make it personal just

1964
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,239
simply because you look at the work

1965
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:28,320
that these individuals have done much

1966
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:31,280
longer than i have ever seen their work

1967
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,440
or you or or ttsa or tom or anybody

1968
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:37,440
they have been doing this for a long

1969
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,679
long time to try and get answers so

1970
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,760
it's very frustrating to see that that

1971
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,679
it's all swallowed up

1972
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:45,360
and then put to the way let's make a

1973
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,679
movie let's make a cartoon let's make a

1974
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:49,199
let's make the entertainment division

1975
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:50,560
the focus of this

1976
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,040
well then you know what give it all back

1977
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,840
don't keep it i i am not under the

1978
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:57,280
impression they did correct me if i'm

1979
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,159
wrong but it's like let it go then you

1980
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:01,679
know don't don't

1981
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:04,239
string these people along who believed

1982
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:06,639
in a public benefit corporation

1983
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,840
uh to to loan their material or whatever

1984
01:23:13,110 --> 01:23:11,440
their contract says

1985
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:13,120
but to to get involved with that don't

1986
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:15,920
do it to them i mean it really is a very

1987
01:23:18,709 --> 01:23:16,800
sad

1988
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,719
thing to do it's very frustrating for me

1989
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:21,040
because my connection to that case alone

1990
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:24,000
goes back over 20 years at this point

1991
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:28,560
can a can a crater agreement be broken

1992
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:30,239
you know i'm not an attorney so i

1993
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:31,679
wouldn't pretend to give you a real

1994
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:33,440
answer on that i mean generally there's

1995
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:35,040
really no

1996
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,199
i think obligation at this point the the

1997
01:23:41,990 --> 01:23:39,679
agreement was there for them to utilize

1998
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:42,000
the army facilities and the army

1999
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:44,400
uh capabilities to to get some answers

2000
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,480
and it was going to be stretched over uh

2001
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:48,400
quite a few different years with

2002
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:50,880
different milestones kovit obviously

2003
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,600
sent everything awry so i i think

2004
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:56,000
especially in this day and age

2005
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:57,600
that could be broken without any

2006
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:58,960
repercussion

2007
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:01,440
but on top of that i think even if covet

2008
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:03,440
wasn't an issue and we didn't live in

2009
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:04,800
the covet era

2010
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:05,520
i

2011
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:13,679
xyz changed and they backed out there

2012
01:24:18,390 --> 01:24:15,679
was no like contractual obligation that

2013
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,400
ttsa had to do something

2014
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,120
again i'm just speaking as a normal

2015
01:24:25,430 --> 01:24:23,520
person not an attorney uh but i just

2016
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,440
didn't see anything in there that that

2017
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,120
was obligatory

2018
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,520
well and my point being you know break

2019
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:31,679
the agreement to say you know what it's

2020
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,679
not working for us and get the materials

2021
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:34,800
back

2022
01:24:39,030 --> 01:24:36,880
and so you could go to independent

2023
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:39,040
laboratories and go into self-funding

2024
01:24:43,590 --> 01:24:41,679
yeah and not depend on the military yeah

2025
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:43,600
i mean i'm not fully convinced that all

2026
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:45,920
the material was just handed over to the

2027
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:48,560
army uh

2028
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:50,239
unless somebody has said that somewhere

2029
01:24:54,229 --> 01:24:51,840
i'm not i'm not familiar with that i

2030
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,239
mean really how i took it was that that

2031
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,920
material

2032
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:58,480
in the custody of ttsa would be able to

2033
01:25:02,149 --> 01:25:00,560
go and utilize share the results you

2034
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:02,159
know and again there's there's different

2035
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:03,920
types of tests they were going to do

2036
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,760
but that was always how i read and

2037
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:07,920
understood that agreement it wasn't that

2038
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:10,480
they sent everything over to the army

2039
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:12,239
but still i think that there's a concern

2040
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,560
that that the military

2041
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:17,520
itself as a as an entity

2042
01:25:22,149 --> 01:25:19,440
i would fully support is part of this

2043
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,159
cover-up so to enter a deal to say hey

2044
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,880
we potentially have pieces of uap we

2045
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,239
want to make an agreement with you to

2046
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:28,719
utilize your facilities under this crada

2047
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,960
and and share the results with you

2048
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:32,960
you are you are getting evidence and

2049
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,440
walking it right back into the home of

2050
01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:37,679
the one responsible for the secrecy

2051
01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:40,159
which i always felt was was silly so i

2052
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,600
don't think that they ever really turned

2053
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:43,920
it over but rather it was the idea that

2054
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,520
they were still walking in the door with

2055
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,199
it and that they were going to be able

2056
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,760
to utilize that facility but there's

2057
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:51,760
nothing to say that let's say they got

2058
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:53,840
something that was potentially a

2059
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,639
classified in nature piece of whatever

2060
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:58,400
that the army would clamp down on it i

2061
01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:00,639
mean i truly believe that that that that

2062
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:02,960
would happen i don't believe that the

2063
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:05,760
crater would just relinquish ttsa of any

2064
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,719
responsibility of of keeping that secret

2065
01:26:12,229 --> 01:26:10,639
but rather they would clamp down on them

2066
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,239
and say no you cannot share this because

2067
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:14,719
it is classified and then potentially

2068
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:16,960
you're getting into a confiscation

2069
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:19,600
if if that's what it turned out to be

2070
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:21,280
something of a classified nature whether

2071
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,000
that be a military platform piece of

2072
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:26,639
tech or something else that they deem to

2073
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:28,639
be classified so i think that there's a

2074
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:30,639
lot of gray area there where some people

2075
01:26:33,430 --> 01:26:32,159
may say no no no the crater wouldn't

2076
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:33,440
allow that

2077
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,120
if it came to a classified something

2078
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:37,120
rather i believe the military would do

2079
01:26:41,189 --> 01:26:38,960
anything and everything it had to do to

2080
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,199
keep that secrecy and they would likely

2081
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,520
win in in that situation and

2082
01:26:46,229 --> 01:26:45,360
just an opinion but i think that they

2083
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:46,239
would

2084
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:47,440
now

2085
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:50,480
does this allow the crada in sharing the

2086
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:52,000
technology

2087
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,080
uh where you have ttsa as a public

2088
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:56,560
benefit corporation that's gonna improve

2089
01:27:02,709 --> 01:27:00,400
humanity right and use this alien tech

2090
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:02,719
you know for us for you and i

2091
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:05,120
um but if the military

2092
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:08,639
finds a use for it to make weapons

2093
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:11,760
or to improve a weapons system

2094
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:14,320
uh is that part of this agreement with

2095
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:15,760
kratom that they could take this

2096
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,120
technology and use it uh for the

2097
01:27:23,110 --> 01:27:21,440
military industrial complex yeah yeah

2098
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,120
from what i understand that that was the

2099
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,760
whole point of it so if the army wasn't

2100
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:27,600
able to do that the creator made no

2101
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:30,080
sense it was just essentially giving

2102
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:32,480
full access to their to their facility

2103
01:27:37,910 --> 01:27:35,679
but rather this was a effort to

2104
01:27:38,709 --> 01:27:37,920
uh share the results

2105
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:38,719
and

2106
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:41,679
in exchange for ttsa being able to

2107
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:44,719
utilize the expertise of the us army in

2108
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:47,679
those facilities uh and and and the

2109
01:27:50,149 --> 01:27:49,440
facility itself

2110
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:50,159
the

2111
01:28:02,070 --> 01:27:59,600
serves were talking about ground units

2112
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:02,080
that they were that they were able that

2113
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:03,840
they were looking at this to potentially

2114
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:06,560
use in their ground units and technology

2115
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,120
in that respect which which i always

2116
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:11,040
found a little bit interesting that it

2117
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:12,960
wasn't aircraft or

2118
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,800
you know sharing with with the air force

2119
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:16,320
or whatever but regardless you know it

2120
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,239
that that was more or less the scope of

2121
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:20,400
it but they would absolutely share to

2122
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:21,679
exploit

2123
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,639
you know the only part of about well

2124
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:26,400
there's lots of parts but the one thing

2125
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:29,440
that just felt a little stinky to me a

2126
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:31,040
little dirty

2127
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:34,000
is that you have ttsa you know with this

2128
01:28:39,030 --> 01:28:36,000
image with the ufo community and

2129
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:39,040
collecting this stuff and then i have a

2130
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:42,000
piece of something right from an alien

2131
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,040
craft

2132
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:45,600
and and i send it into ttsa and the next

2133
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,400
thing i know i think that ttsa is

2134
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:50,400
is going to check it out and now it's in

2135
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,080
the hands of

2136
01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:54,080
of the department of defense and they're

2137
01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:56,560
looking at this to build you know

2138
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:59,600
anti-tank armor right it's like wait a

2139
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:01,679
minute it's not what i signed up to do

2140
01:29:07,110 --> 01:29:04,480
and that's the part that feels a little

2141
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:07,120
it's a little dirty it's a little funky

2142
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,040
to me

2143
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,199
it it absolutely is and has been since

2144
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:13,280
the announcement of the crada i've never

2145
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:17,360
understood the the the logic beyond sure

2146
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:19,520
getting access to expertise and

2147
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,480
technology to conduct these tests and

2148
01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:24,719
yes that is a benefit but when you look

2149
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:28,159
at all else will this backfire you know

2150
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:30,800
will will there be results that will

2151
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:31,920
turn this

2152
01:29:37,430 --> 01:29:35,040
into a classified topic meaning

2153
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,440
specifically the meta materials will the

2154
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:40,080
army find some reason to do that could

2155
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,560
they do that again a lot of speculation

2156
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:44,800
said no they wouldn't be able to do that

2157
01:29:49,510 --> 01:29:47,920
i would argue yes they probably could

2158
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,520
simply because if they wanted to hide

2159
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,040
something that they didn't want the

2160
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,040
public to know and whether that be

2161
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:55,440
advanced classified tech or something

2162
01:29:59,189 --> 01:29:56,719
else so

2163
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:59,199
that part has never made sense to me

2164
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:00,800
especially because you're now getting in

2165
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:03,440
bed with the same

2166
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,600
the same entity that you're blaming for

2167
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:07,679
the secrecy in the first place

2168
01:30:12,470 --> 01:30:10,400
so you're coming out with a with at the

2169
01:30:15,669 --> 01:30:12,480
time i know he's moved on but with a

2170
01:30:17,590 --> 01:30:15,679
former dod counterintelligence agent and

2171
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,600
you're saying that the military is not

2172
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:19,199
taking this seriously they're they're

2173
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:20,960
squashing the topic they're there

2174
01:30:23,830 --> 01:30:22,480
there's immense secrecy there's this

2175
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,840
that and the other thing

2176
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:25,679
so so you're you've got that message in

2177
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:27,600
your first breath then your second

2178
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:28,639
breath is

2179
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:31,760
hey give me all the uap best

2180
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:34,239
material out there we'll buy it we'll

2181
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,639
borrow it we'll exploit it and we'll

2182
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:38,239
give it back to the army for them to

2183
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:39,280
test

2184
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,679
and trust us because it's for the public

2185
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:44,080
benefit it didn't make sense to me at

2186
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:46,880
all and uh and i understand again that

2187
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:48,960
that they were getting a lot in return

2188
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:52,080
to have those facilities and expertise i

2189
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:53,600
just think if it was going to turn into

2190
01:30:57,270 --> 01:30:55,840
anything it would backfire very quickly

2191
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:57,280
and so here we are

2192
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:59,040
however many years later since they

2193
01:31:03,110 --> 01:31:00,719
announced that crada

2194
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,120
i understand covet has created monkey

2195
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:05,600
wrenches in every wheel that exists but

2196
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:08,719
regardless at this point there's no

2197
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,880
communication about it

2198
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:12,960
and even though they said last week that

2199
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:15,760
the credit continues why is it last year

2200
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:18,000
that the army told me what they did

2201
01:31:22,070 --> 01:31:19,760
so there's there's obviously test

2202
01:31:24,470 --> 01:31:22,080
results of some kind what did we find

2203
01:31:27,030 --> 01:31:24,480
out it's a melted budweiser can all

2204
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:27,040
right let's hear it you know like what

2205
01:31:31,669 --> 01:31:28,880
what what what was the result of that

2206
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:31,679
inconclusive cool let's hear it uh

2207
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:34,239
failure all right let's find out why but

2208
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:36,800
instead the army can't they can't go

2209
01:31:41,669 --> 01:31:39,199
that far they were only able to confirm

2210
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:41,679
the test took place and ttsa did not

2211
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:43,760
want to talk to me other than saying hey

2212
01:31:48,790 --> 01:31:46,719
go look at the the meeting minutes which

2213
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:48,800
and the sec filings which didn't tell us

2214
01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:49,679
anything

2215
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:51,040
let's take our break right here our

2216
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:53,440
guest tonight from the black vault john

2217
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:54,719
greenwald

2218
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,960
great conversation

2219
01:32:01,750 --> 01:31:58,560
when we come back i want to talk about

2220
01:32:03,510 --> 01:32:01,760
some employment changes over the dod

2221
01:32:04,470 --> 01:32:03,520
that's right we'll talk about all of

2222
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:04,480
that

2223
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:06,400
and much more when we come back after

2224
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:10,370
this short break stay with us

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01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:22,480
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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy choo let me tell you

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something tonight our guest is a john

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greenwald

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i really

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like looking at the guitars in the

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yeah those are pretty cool

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john greenwald is here we have so many

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headlines and uh

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uh

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john i i i should probably be a little

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bit honest with everybody normally

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you and i

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are um

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what's the word that i want to use

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communicating talking gossiping like a

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little sewing circle

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all of this stuff and and we didn't get

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a chance to do that over the last couple

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of weeks uh like we normally do

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uh and and especially with this kind of

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interesting stuff that that is floating

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around uh right now but we haven't and

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so we're going to take the opportunity

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to do this now and i want to talk about

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gary reed

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um

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is if you go

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okay so we had the article that came out

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with uh the debrief

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that stated that gary reed was no longer

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employed he's been relieved of his

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duties at the united states government

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great read great article

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and then

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if you go to

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right here

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and you click it says right there

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director for defense intelligence

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intelligence and security officer under

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the under secretary of defense for

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intelligence gary reed is currently

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serving as director for defense

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intelligence intelligence security at

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ddia

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and ins reporting directly to the under

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secretary of defense for intelligence

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what's going on

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yeah it was definitely and i'm pulling

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up here just so i can quote it

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uh

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it was definitely a story

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in ufo tradition that was a bit muddy

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and the reason why i say a ufo story

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is that when it was originally reported

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that he was fired

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uh i know that there was i believe some

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talk that it wasn't said that he was

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fired that it was relieved of duties and

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it was a very careful i watched an

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interview with the journalist uh who

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wrote the article tim mcmillan uh within

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24 hours of publishing he said he was

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fired like four or five times so it was

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definitely the message was that he was

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fired

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but but as you noted uh there was some

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confusion and

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i was not alone hearing some rumblings

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that he was still

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punching the time clock so to speak that

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he was still physically

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inside the pentagon after it was

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reported he was fired or let go relieved

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of duty so but he was still there

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01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:51,760
so i didn't

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anybody who follows me on social media i

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01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,600
was getting asked a lot to to say like

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hey what is this all about because there

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was the connection to the ufo stuff and

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that he was the one that was responsible

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for

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the luis elizondo

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comments uh that have created so much

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controversy in the last couple of years

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and very much a warring faction between

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the different sides of ufology did

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elizondo did he not did he the city that

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and so it was essentially alluded to

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that it was gary reed who was the the

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evil root to those to those statements

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but the reason why i stayed out of it

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was because

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i knew he was still going to the

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pentagon as early as that monday of the

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the week after that that

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report was um

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published the the news article was

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published

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so i stayed out of it i didn't even

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comment on it because i didn't want to

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didn't even want to go there um

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then jaz shaw who also actually writes

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for the debrief but also through hot

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air.com uh he had received word uh on

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background from somebody at the dod uh

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that he was still there and he published

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that publicly and that then you know

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erupted the controversy of what was

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going on well fast forward to and i

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pulled it up here so i can read it to

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you april 23rd

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the dod finally

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uh on behalf of pentagon press secretary

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john kirby

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made comment on what was going on and

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i'll read it to you real quick it's only

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a couple lines we can confirm that under

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secretary of defense for intelligence

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and security ron moultrie has directed

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the reassignment of mr gary reed to the

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defense intelligence agency

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an interim director for defense

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intelligence

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security will be appointed in the near

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future

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so essentially it seemed like at least

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as of april 23rd when i got this and

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01:41:52,629 --> 01:41:50,000
again this was sent to me on behalf of

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pentagon press secretary john kirby i

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01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:55,280
was not the only one to get this quite a

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01:41:58,830 --> 01:41:58,080
few people got it but essentially he was

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01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,840
being

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reassigned um

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i'm not going to defend the guy he seems

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01:42:07,750 --> 01:42:05,600
i don't want to say anything bad he

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01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:07,760
seems like not a good guy

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01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:10,400
based on the allegations against him but

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01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:11,920
when it was published that the the

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01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:13,920
inspector general for the dod looked

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01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:14,800
into

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01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:18,320
some claims about inappropriate behavior

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01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,520
i don't know how much detail you want to

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01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,840
go into but just inappropriate behavior

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01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:23,920
and inappropriate relationships

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01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,080
most of which they could not confirm

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01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:29,119
they were able to confirm the the

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um i don't want to say illusion but but

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01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,119
essentially they were the

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01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:35,520
uh gary reed along with another employee

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01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:38,480
at the dod were projecting

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01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,360
the subordinate were projecting the idea

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01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:43,440
that they were having a inappropriate

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01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:45,520
relationship but they could never

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01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,360
confirm that they actually were having

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01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:49,360
the inappropriate relationship and the

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01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:50,880
second thing that they were able to

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01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:52,880
deduce from the whole thing was that he

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01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:55,679
was using his personal email for dod

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01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:56,639
business

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01:43:02,470 --> 01:42:59,600
that is the big no-no out of all of this

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01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,480
but that was 2020 um

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01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,320
when that was published so

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01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:06,000
that to me was kind of the writing on

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01:43:09,510 --> 01:43:07,360
the wall like wait a minute is this the

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01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:09,520
justification for him to be let go

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01:43:12,390 --> 01:43:11,280
didn't make sense that two years were

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01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:12,400
were passed

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01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,280
so uh obviously he wasn't um i know that

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01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:17,119
it was then posted that he was relieved

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01:43:22,229 --> 01:43:19,840
of of all duties of the dod

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01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:22,239
uh but as we can see he was assigned to

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01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,400
the dia which is for those who don't

2482
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,880
know an intelligence arm of the the

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01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:29,040
department of defense the dod

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01:43:32,070 --> 01:43:29,760
so

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01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:32,080
again that is not a defense of the guy

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01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:34,159
uh but rather there's a lot more to this

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01:43:38,470 --> 01:43:36,080
story that we don't know

2488
01:43:41,109 --> 01:43:38,480
now that may all sound kind of like

2489
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:41,119
snoozy talk but for me the connection

2490
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:43,119
was this ufo claim

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01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:45,920
that he was the root of luis elizondo

2492
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:48,560
and then politico um

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01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:51,040
ended up writing a story about this and

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01:43:55,669 --> 01:43:53,280
essentially said uh through luis

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01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:55,679
elizondo and i'm paraphrasing here but

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01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:58,560
it essentially was luis elizondo's

2497
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,800
inspector general complaint

2498
01:44:05,109 --> 01:44:02,960
uh that

2499
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,119
kind of set this into overdrive and and

2500
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,920
what led to the ousting of gary reed

2501
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:10,400
but i haven't seen any any

2502
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:12,000
supporting evidence of that and i think

2503
01:44:14,550 --> 01:44:13,679
that was that was first in the daily

2504
01:44:16,310 --> 01:44:14,560
mail

2505
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,320
um so

2506
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,040
let me get let me get some background um

2507
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,520
not only from you but for the audience

2508
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:23,920
on this um

2509
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:27,760
was gary reed and this is what has been

2510
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:29,840
suggested right

2511
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:33,040
was it gary reed that was feeding the

2512
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:37,199
lines for susan gao at the dod

2513
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,560
when she was making these public

2514
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:40,800
statements about elizondo

2515
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:42,880
was that coming from reed

2516
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:45,440
so i can't confirm that because nothing

2517
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:46,960
was ever

2518
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:49,760
attributed to gary reed but this is what

2519
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:51,920
has been suggested that's what's been

2520
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,239
suggested yeah and and and if there's

2521
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:56,400
truth to that i'd love to see it

2522
01:45:02,310 --> 01:44:59,199
uh if there's a a backtrack of the

2523
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:02,320
pentagon stance because at all led back

2524
01:45:06,790 --> 01:45:04,880
to gary reed um

2525
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,800
okay i'll be the first to publish it i

2526
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:08,800
have no problem with that look i'm out

2527
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:10,960
for the truth not out to get anybody in

2528
01:45:16,470 --> 01:45:13,520
in particular right but from the looks

2529
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:16,480
of it that is not the case uh and

2530
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:18,560
there have been inquiries on whether or

2531
01:45:22,070 --> 01:45:21,119
not stances were gonna change uh and

2532
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:22,080
they're not

2533
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:24,960
at least not as we speak here uh in may

2534
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:26,400
so

2535
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:28,400
what's gonna happen tomorrow look i i

2536
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:30,800
won't pretend to be a fortune teller

2537
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:32,480
but i deal with

2538
01:45:37,750 --> 01:45:35,119
the now and what evidence supports the

2539
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:37,760
claims of the now and i just don't see

2540
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:40,159
it and and i don't want to

2541
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:42,480
say that

2542
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:45,840
the ufo allegation didn't play a role in

2543
01:45:51,109 --> 01:45:48,159
this meaning that he would had this

2544
01:45:53,830 --> 01:45:51,119
vendetta against uh mr luis elizondo and

2545
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:53,840
that's why this whole thing went sour

2546
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:55,760
for gary reed because it finally came to

2547
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:57,280
light

2548
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:58,800
and the reason why i say this and i'll

2549
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:00,560
make this quick point

2550
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:03,119
is that we know that the release

2551
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:06,400
of the gimbal the flir and the go fast

2552
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:08,800
videos those are the three ufo videos

2553
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:12,080
that we've seen since december of 2017

2554
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:13,840
and march of 2018 when it comes to the

2555
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:16,800
go fast we've seen those a million times

2556
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:17,840
over

2557
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:20,239
since they surfaced there was an

2558
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:22,880
investigation into the release of those

2559
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:24,960
three videos because it was not

2560
01:46:28,870 --> 01:46:26,960
authorized that wasn't just a press

2561
01:46:30,870 --> 01:46:28,880
statement although that did come and

2562
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:30,880
that was really controversial

2563
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:32,800
but the air force office of special

2564
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:35,119
investigations investigated

2565
01:46:39,270 --> 01:46:36,960
that specific leak

2566
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:39,280
and the documents have been released

2567
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:41,199
through the freedom of information act

2568
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:42,320
and although some of the names are

2569
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:44,239
redacted you can see they took the leak

2570
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:45,360
seriously

2571
01:46:51,030 --> 01:46:48,080
they tried to figure out what happened

2572
01:46:52,390 --> 01:46:51,040
the mistake was made

2573
01:46:54,709 --> 01:46:52,400
when

2574
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,719
luis elizondo denies that he did it uh

2575
01:46:59,590 --> 01:46:57,040
he he did that on video with me in a

2576
01:47:02,310 --> 01:46:59,600
recorded interview so somehow those

2577
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:02,320
videos came out uh he said that he did

2578
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:04,400
not do it christopher mellon has

2579
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:05,840
admitted he was the one that leaked him

2580
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,679
to the new york times

2581
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:09,920
but the investigation

2582
01:47:14,070 --> 01:47:12,560
showed that they looked into this and

2583
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:14,080
although the videos were considered

2584
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,800
unclassified it was determined that if

2585
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:18,880
they were told meaning the what they

2586
01:47:21,910 --> 01:47:20,719
call the release authority if they were

2587
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:21,920
told they were going to be published by

2588
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:24,400
the media they likely would have said no

2589
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,800
and so you look at this investigation

2590
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:28,960
and you can kind of fill in the blank

2591
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:32,239
of who luis elizondo's where his name is

2592
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:33,679
because it actually references a

2593
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,119
redacted name

2594
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:37,360
but then later it says and he told the

2595
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,520
media that he was the head of of

2596
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:41,520
essentially atip i'm paraphrasing but

2597
01:47:46,310 --> 01:47:44,159
you can easily deduce that he's there

2598
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,320
why am i bringing this up well because

2599
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:48,320
if there was a vendetta

2600
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:52,000
from gary reed who is said to have have

2601
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:53,920
been the one responsible

2602
01:48:00,149 --> 01:47:54,639
for

2603
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,159
getting afosi to to do it

2604
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:03,440
that was the opportunity to cut the head

2605
01:48:06,709 --> 01:48:04,639
off the snake

2606
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:06,719
that if that if if the air force office

2607
01:48:10,550 --> 01:48:08,560
of special investigations is going to

2608
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:10,560
luis elizondo saying hey

2609
01:48:14,709 --> 01:48:13,520
uh we got an unauthorized leak here of

2610
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:14,719
material

2611
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:17,920
and all of this was was charades uh

2612
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:21,119
based on the evil doings of gary reed

2613
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:23,280
why wasn't that brought up when it was

2614
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:26,880
investigated and and i i don't see any

2615
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:29,280
plausible reason why not

2616
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:32,320
and fast forward now to 2022

2617
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,560
and there's this story about gary reed

2618
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:36,239
and all of a sudden

2619
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:39,520
it's because of ufo stuff and

2620
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:41,280
that's what i don't understand because

2621
01:48:46,229 --> 01:48:44,159
if he really was the head of the snake

2622
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:46,239
then this was the prime opportunity to

2623
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:48,719
put it on the record to military

2624
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:51,199
investigators that there was a vendetta

2625
01:48:56,310 --> 01:48:52,719
from somebody who shouldn't be within

2626
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:56,320
the dod who was targeting another dod

2627
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:58,080
counterintelligence agent

2628
01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:01,280
yet none of that was there and i

2629
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:02,719
questioned that i would love the

2630
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:05,600
opportunity to to ask mr elizondo i have

2631
01:49:09,510 --> 01:49:07,280
reached out before i get hate mail like

2632
01:49:11,109 --> 01:49:09,520
why don't you just ask him i have uh

2633
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:11,119
meaning i've reached out to him numerous

2634
01:49:13,830 --> 01:49:12,239
times to

2635
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:13,840
uh to essentially do a follow-up

2636
01:49:18,229 --> 01:49:16,080
interview to uh what i did earlier last

2637
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:18,239
year um

2638
01:49:23,350 --> 01:49:21,280
sadly i know he's busy and and uh

2639
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:23,360
that hasn't come to pass i don't know if

2640
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:26,000
it will um but i but i respect it uh

2641
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:27,679
meaning if he decides not to ever talk

2642
01:49:32,870 --> 01:49:30,320
to me again that's okay uh but those are

2643
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:32,880
on a list of that that is on a list of a

2644
01:49:36,709 --> 01:49:34,719
much longer list of questions that i

2645
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:36,719
think we we need to ask if we're going

2646
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:38,719
to accuse people

2647
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:42,159
of thwarting you know the release of ufo

2648
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:45,119
information and squashing the ufo topic

2649
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:45,840
and

2650
01:49:49,830 --> 01:49:47,679
he's the sole head of the snake that

2651
01:49:51,910 --> 01:49:49,840
that has created the issues for luis

2652
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:51,920
elizondo then let's get it all out there

2653
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,440
let's figure out where the evidence is

2654
01:49:57,589 --> 01:49:55,440
because you know there's a paper trail

2655
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:57,599
you can't achieve something like that

2656
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:59,920
without being started

2657
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:02,239
yeah let me jump in though uh it feels

2658
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:05,199
like that that is where this is headed

2659
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:06,239
and

2660
01:50:12,390 --> 01:50:09,040
it's it seems to me i have no inside

2661
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:12,400
information but it seems to me that

2662
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:13,360
uh

2663
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:16,000
lou and danny sheehan met with the ig

2664
01:50:19,750 --> 01:50:17,520
they had this complaint put together

2665
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:19,760
there was the missing you know deleted

2666
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:22,000
emails uh

2667
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:24,320
and the other statements from susan and

2668
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:27,040
and things uh pointed right directly

2669
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:28,560
back at lou

2670
01:50:33,990 --> 01:50:32,080
and then we have this result

2671
01:50:35,430 --> 01:50:34,000
about gary reed

2672
01:50:38,229 --> 01:50:35,440
and was this

2673
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:38,239
what the ig found in their investigation

2674
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,400
and that is why he got moved out i don't

2675
01:50:44,229 --> 01:50:42,480
think he got moved out because

2676
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:44,239
he was setting dinner plates in his

2677
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,639
office for lunch with his subordinate i

2678
01:50:51,430 --> 01:50:48,480
i don't think that is

2679
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:51,440
it might be it might be grounds

2680
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:53,040
uh for this but it seems like there's

2681
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,199
something much bigger here and it's

2682
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,320
probably uh to me from where i'm sitting

2683
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,719
what uh has been suggested by lou that

2684
01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:02,960
get that gary was the issue

2685
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:05,920
so my uh and that could very well be the

2686
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,440
case i i don't

2687
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:09,520
say that that's not possible

2688
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,840
but to accept that that's the reason for

2689
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:13,520
his reassignment

2690
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:15,760
uh if that would be the repercussion of

2691
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:16,400
it

2692
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:19,119
in my opinion the dod office of the

2693
01:51:23,589 --> 01:51:20,639
inspector general

2694
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:23,599
would not take action on an allegation

2695
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:26,560
but rather they would on a conclusion

2696
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:28,000
and so my

2697
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:30,080
questions to the two journalists that

2698
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:32,560
wrote for the daily mail

2699
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:34,960
in their article uh they made a lot of

2700
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:37,280
claims there one of which was negated by

2701
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:39,280
luis elizondo himself and i was actually

2702
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,639
defending

2703
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:42,639
luis elizondo's stance that they were

2704
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:45,280
publishing that he was the leaker and mr

2705
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:48,080
elizondo told me specifically he was not

2706
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,880
and and would have advised ttsa not to

2707
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,719
to release those videos i saw a comment

2708
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:55,040
in the chat room that luis elizondo is

2709
01:51:57,669 --> 01:51:56,800
is making the right choice not talking

2710
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:57,679
to me

2711
01:52:00,950 --> 01:51:58,880
but what i think some people don't

2712
01:52:03,430 --> 01:52:00,960
realize is i'm trying to also defend him

2713
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:03,440
here and i asked the journalists why are

2714
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:05,840
you publishing that when here's video of

2715
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:07,679
your source here's video of luis

2716
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,960
elizondo's specifically saying he didn't

2717
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:12,000
do it

2718
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:13,760
but on top of that

2719
01:52:17,270 --> 01:52:15,679
is there evidence that that inspector

2720
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:17,280
general

2721
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:21,040
complaint that luis elizondo filed

2722
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:23,119
sparked an investigation

2723
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:26,320
and established a conclusion

2724
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:27,920
and neither one of them would answer

2725
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:28,800
that

2726
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:34,800
action on an allegation

2727
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:37,119
i'd love to hear that i'm not saying it

2728
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:38,639
couldn't happen

2729
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,400
but how scary is that that you can just

2730
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:42,960
go in and go they did something and so

2731
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:44,639
they go okay fine let's move them out

2732
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,719
true true but we don't know the results

2733
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:48,480
of the investigation

2734
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:50,880
that that's exactly my point and and do

2735
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,800
we know there are results

2736
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:55,040
but that's what i'm trying to say would

2737
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,360
the ig make that public

2738
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:59,280
so i mean they have a right to know on

2739
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:00,560
that when it's

2740
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:03,199
uh some type of internal

2741
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:06,159
uh administration level uh discipline

2742
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:09,040
and movement so i've yeah no you're

2743
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:10,480
you're absolutely right and it's a great

2744
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:13,040
question so i've spoken to the the dod

2745
01:53:15,189 --> 01:53:14,159
ig

2746
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:15,199
uh

2747
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,280
numerous times in the last year and a

2748
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,280
half trying to get an answer to that

2749
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:21,520
very question although they will admit

2750
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,560
to the uap evaluation they don't call it

2751
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:26,880
an investigation but the evaluation they

2752
01:53:30,950 --> 01:53:28,880
will admit to that i have the case

2753
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:30,960
number or we all do uh and i'm going

2754
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,719
after records on that they will not

2755
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:33,760
comment

2756
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:34,560
on

2757
01:53:43,830 --> 01:53:40,880
but if they even initiated a

2758
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:43,840
investigation at all i believe danny

2759
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:45,760
sheehan has said that that there is but

2760
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:49,360
the dod won't comment and whether or not

2761
01:53:53,510 --> 01:53:51,040
it ever finishes

2762
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,520
uh it they will not comment on if they

2763
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:56,400
will acknowledge that so i go back to

2764
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:59,199
the same question the journalists are

2765
01:54:02,550 --> 01:54:00,800
establishing

2766
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:02,560
action taken

2767
01:54:07,990 --> 01:54:05,679
on the complaint which is great i i'm

2768
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:08,000
not going to argue that but where's

2769
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:09,840
where's where's the proof that any

2770
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:12,239
investigation took place and it was

2771
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:14,800
finished and if it's anonymously sourced

2772
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:17,840
which is fine um i hate that by the way

2773
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:20,480
but regardless if that is what it is

2774
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:22,400
then let's hear it but the the

2775
01:54:28,149 --> 01:54:24,719
journalists wouldn't go there either

2776
01:54:30,070 --> 01:54:28,159
and where i kind of get frustrated is

2777
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:30,080
you actually have a very interesting and

2778
01:54:32,950 --> 01:54:32,080
fascinating story that someone like gary

2779
01:54:34,950 --> 01:54:32,960
reed

2780
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:34,960
uh is is

2781
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:35,840
is

2782
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:37,520
again i'm trying to choose my words

2783
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:40,080
carefully is not really supposed to be

2784
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:42,480
there with with the type of person he is

2785
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:45,040
you can see from the allegations uh he

2786
01:54:47,669 --> 01:54:46,639
probably isn't the best of all human

2787
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:47,679
beings

2788
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:49,760
and there's an interesting story there

2789
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,280
but then all of a sudden ufos gets

2790
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:53,440
thrown in the mix and we don't really

2791
01:54:56,470 --> 01:54:55,040
have the supporting evidence there we

2792
01:54:59,350 --> 01:54:56,480
have the supporting evidence that he's

2793
01:55:01,990 --> 01:54:59,360
kind of a sleazebag and that is in the

2794
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:02,000
evidence produced by the dodig report

2795
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:04,880
published in 2020. boom that's evidence

2796
01:55:09,510 --> 01:55:07,280
has a conclusion good to go but then all

2797
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:09,520
of a sudden it's like oh and by the way

2798
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:12,239
he's fully responsible for

2799
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,080
ufo secrecy derailing atip uh

2800
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,639
slandering luis elizondo and all this

2801
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:20,800
stuff where is that and that was my

2802
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:22,960
question again to those two journalists

2803
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:25,280
who really made the the most boldest of

2804
01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:28,000
of claims for the daily mail saying hey

2805
01:55:30,229 --> 01:55:28,800
look

2806
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:30,239
you guys aren't sourcing this to

2807
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:32,960
anything and and it even if they don't

2808
01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:35,520
show me the document fine but is it an

2809
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:37,760
anonymous source is it a government

2810
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:39,840
official that told you that didn't want

2811
01:55:43,109 --> 01:55:40,960
to be named but they did an

2812
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:43,119
investigation found a conclusion

2813
01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:44,639
and took action

2814
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:46,080
and and that's what i think a lot of

2815
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:48,000
people are missing and

2816
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:49,280
the

2817
01:55:58,950 --> 01:55:57,440
inkling that something happened and blow

2818
01:56:00,950 --> 01:55:58,960
it up into a reality

2819
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:00,960
and and then now it's just solid gold

2820
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,440
that gary reed is absolutely

2821
01:56:07,430 --> 01:56:04,639
the root

2822
01:56:09,589 --> 01:56:07,440
of susan goff's statements which by the

2823
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,599
way for people who hate susan goff she

2824
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:11,440
was not the one that issued the original

2825
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:13,840
statement about luisa lozando so i think

2826
01:56:17,910 --> 01:56:15,599
a lot of people are missing the actual

2827
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:17,920
history here uh did she play a role

2828
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:20,560
behind the scenes i i i mean i can't

2829
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:22,480
definitively tell you that but it was

2830
01:56:26,709 --> 01:56:24,880
attributed to somebody else uh

2831
01:56:28,950 --> 01:56:26,719
christopher sherwood

2832
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:28,960
was the one i believe who originally

2833
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:31,119
uh sent that out it was it was it was

2834
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:33,360
not susan goff so

2835
01:56:37,109 --> 01:56:34,960
i think a lot of people are missing the

2836
01:56:39,669 --> 01:56:37,119
facts when it comes to this and they

2837
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:39,679
place blame and and that's what happened

2838
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:41,440
to one of the pentagon spokespeople if

2839
01:56:44,709 --> 01:56:42,800
everybody's scratching their heads on

2840
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:44,719
who's susan well she's the pentagon

2841
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:47,280
spokesperson that's become the bad guy

2842
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:49,920
in this story and and people love to

2843
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:51,840
hate her when it comes to this but they

2844
01:56:55,830 --> 01:56:53,599
don't realize it actually wasn't her

2845
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:55,840
that issued the original statement so

2846
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:57,440
we're missing a lot of pieces to the

2847
01:57:01,990 --> 01:56:59,840
puzzle and the guy is likely a very bad

2848
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:02,000
guy and shouldn't be in the dod but that

2849
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:03,360
doesn't mean we could just like make up

2850
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:04,960
stuff and just go oh yeah well he did

2851
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:06,080
this too

2852
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:07,360
when we don't have the supporting

2853
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:10,000
evidence yet and that's that's really

2854
01:57:13,589 --> 01:57:11,440
what i was looking for when i was

2855
01:57:15,189 --> 01:57:13,599
questioning the journalists and and then

2856
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:15,199
people get upset on twitter because how

2857
01:57:19,109 --> 01:57:17,119
dare you challenge the daily mail or

2858
01:57:22,950 --> 01:57:19,119
whatever they were saying well

2859
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:22,960
so yeah and and with susan goff golf gal

2860
01:57:28,950 --> 01:57:26,000
golf you say tomato goth like cough only

2861
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:28,960
with a g okay golf um

2862
01:57:33,990 --> 01:57:31,199
is that there is

2863
01:57:36,229 --> 01:57:34,000
a severe case of like cognitive

2864
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:36,239
dissonance going on with her

2865
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:39,679
in that if she says something that is

2866
01:57:43,189 --> 01:57:40,800
cool

2867
01:57:47,030 --> 01:57:43,199
you're all right but as soon as it goes

2868
01:57:49,910 --> 01:57:47,040
outside of of your belief system

2869
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:49,920
they and and you can't have it both ways

2870
01:57:55,109 --> 01:57:52,880
it's either one way or the other yeah

2871
01:57:57,510 --> 01:57:55,119
with her and it's it's very very

2872
01:58:00,070 --> 01:57:57,520
interesting you know that

2873
01:58:02,229 --> 01:58:00,080
if it if it's anti-year belief system

2874
01:58:04,070 --> 01:58:02,239
she's the antichrist but if she tells

2875
01:58:07,430 --> 01:58:04,080
you that the

2876
01:58:10,229 --> 01:58:07,440
uaps are real right you'll you you know

2877
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:10,239
what i mean and it's absolutely yeah and

2878
01:58:14,629 --> 01:58:12,159
and that's what i don't want to say the

2879
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:14,639
whole ufo community is like that but

2880
01:58:16,950 --> 01:58:16,239
some very low

2881
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:16,960
well

2882
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:19,199
i mean i wouldn't say the majority i

2883
01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:20,960
would say though there are a lot of loud

2884
01:58:25,510 --> 01:58:23,360
voices that are like that and they will

2885
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:25,520
crucify that pentagon spokesperson for

2886
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:28,560
saying something that goes against

2887
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:32,080
the beliefs of today but when that same

2888
01:58:35,990 --> 01:58:33,760
spokesperson says something that they

2889
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:36,000
like it it's got to be true because

2890
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:38,239
obviously the pentagon told us

2891
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:41,840
and and that to me is uh the hypocrisy

2892
01:58:46,229 --> 01:58:44,239
that's that's behind a lot of this and

2893
01:58:49,669 --> 01:58:46,239
and that goes to the

2894
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:49,679
the lack of proper questioning of what

2895
01:58:53,669 --> 01:58:51,840
we are being told because the people

2896
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:53,679
that do that and again i'm not saying

2897
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:54,960
it's everyone but the people that do

2898
01:58:58,870 --> 01:58:56,560
that they have their mind made up

2899
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:58,880
already so why do they care if there's a

2900
01:59:02,790 --> 01:59:00,080
government

2901
01:59:04,550 --> 01:59:02,800
effort to try and unravel and and answer

2902
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:04,560
what the uap

2903
01:59:09,350 --> 01:59:07,040
issue is why do they care because their

2904
01:59:11,669 --> 01:59:09,360
mind is made up if the government says

2905
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:11,679
that it's drone technology or

2906
01:59:15,910 --> 01:59:13,760
explainable tech or whatever they're

2907
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:15,920
lying if they say we have no idea what

2908
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:18,080
it is and we're looking into it they're

2909
01:59:21,030 --> 01:59:19,840
telling the truth they have no idea see

2910
01:59:23,510 --> 01:59:21,040
it's aliens

2911
01:59:25,109 --> 01:59:23,520
you know and so you pick and choose and

2912
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:25,119
that's what gets really frustrating

2913
01:59:29,589 --> 01:59:28,320
about this it comes down to not what you

2914
01:59:32,310 --> 01:59:29,599
believe

2915
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:32,320
but what you can prove i know that's all

2916
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:33,199
it is

2917
01:59:38,149 --> 01:59:36,719
and i try to stay objective but i i i

2918
01:59:40,870 --> 01:59:38,159
pick and choose

2919
01:59:41,990 --> 01:59:40,880
a rachel easy to do

2920
01:59:43,830 --> 01:59:42,000
absolutely

2921
01:59:45,430 --> 01:59:43,840
uh rachel this just came in from rachel

2922
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:45,440
before we get to the break you can

2923
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:47,440
answer this question for john have you

2924
01:59:51,669 --> 01:59:49,440
ever submitted a foia request for

2925
01:59:55,109 --> 01:59:51,679
documents pertaining to the defense

2926
01:59:58,629 --> 01:59:56,070
yes

2927
01:59:59,750 --> 01:59:58,639
i had to look up my database that's here

2928
02:00:05,510 --> 01:59:59,760
uh

2929
02:00:07,910 --> 02:00:05,520
2014

2930
02:00:09,750 --> 02:00:07,920
i was denied a document called the

2931
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:09,760
defense science board task force on

2932
02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:12,880
intelligence needs for homeland defense

2933
02:00:18,310 --> 02:00:16,480
i tried again in february of 2021 that

2934
02:00:19,750 --> 02:00:18,320
case is still open

2935
02:00:21,990 --> 02:00:19,760
i couldn't do that one off the top of my

2936
02:00:23,910 --> 02:00:22,000
head i'm sorry rachel but luckily i had

2937
02:00:26,709 --> 02:00:23,920
my database open here of all my foias

2938
02:00:29,109 --> 02:00:26,719
and yes uh that is still an open case

2939
02:00:31,430 --> 02:00:29,119
and hopefully i'll get something uh that

2940
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:31,440
talks about that man you type like an

2941
02:00:35,750 --> 02:00:33,920
uzi with a silencer

2942
02:00:37,669 --> 02:00:35,760
as i get older it's a little slower i

2943
02:00:39,589 --> 02:00:37,679
used to do about 105

2944
02:00:42,310 --> 02:00:39,599
i think 105 words a minute and i can't

2945
02:00:44,550 --> 02:00:42,320
do that anymore i love it i i learned on

2946
02:00:46,870 --> 02:00:44,560
an ibm selectric

2947
02:00:48,950 --> 02:00:46,880
it's the one thing from high school john

2948
02:00:51,669 --> 02:00:48,960
i sort of it's the only thing i retained

2949
02:00:53,430 --> 02:00:51,679
at the age of 58 is learning how to type

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3036
02:05:06,790 --> 02:05:04,480
on fade to black starting off tonight

3037
02:05:09,990 --> 02:05:06,800
with john greenwald and i wanted to give

3038
02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:10,000
a shout out i don't do this often

3039
02:05:15,350 --> 02:05:11,280
but uh

3040
02:05:16,709 --> 02:05:15,360
after the show on thursday it was a

3041
02:05:18,830 --> 02:05:16,719
fader night

3042
02:05:23,750 --> 02:05:18,840
um i found

3043
02:05:26,069 --> 02:05:23,760
tommy's and there's a tommy's here and

3044
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:28,470
and a long story short so i go to

3045
02:05:34,149 --> 02:05:31,119
tommy's and i pull up

3046
02:05:35,990 --> 02:05:34,159
and uh order some food and i pull up and

3047
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:36,000
uh

3048
02:05:41,589 --> 02:05:38,880
very nice

3049
02:05:43,189 --> 02:05:41,599
person her name was athena

3050
02:05:45,750 --> 02:05:43,199
leans out

3051
02:05:49,109 --> 02:05:45,760
the window john

3052
02:05:50,870 --> 02:05:49,119
this is going to sound made up right but

3053
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:50,880
this is what happens

3054
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:53,280
she leans out she goes um

3055
02:05:57,750 --> 02:05:55,520
excuse me

3056
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:57,760
you look like jimmy church this is at

3057
02:06:03,189 --> 02:05:59,840
the tommy's drive-through man i'm there

3058
02:06:04,950 --> 02:06:03,199
for chili burgers right chili fries

3059
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:04,960
root beer float

3060
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:06,719
and i said

3061
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:07,920
i am

3062
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:10,000
jose

3063
02:06:14,709 --> 02:06:11,610
what are you doing here

3064
02:06:17,030 --> 02:06:14,719
[Laughter]

3065
02:06:19,109 --> 02:06:17,040
i live in palmdale what

3066
02:06:20,550 --> 02:06:19,119
and uh so anyway

3067
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:20,560
i'm there at the tommy's drive-through

3068
02:06:23,510 --> 02:06:22,560
taking selfies it was like the coolest

3069
02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:23,520
thing

3070
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:26,560
and i promised athena that i would give

3071
02:06:31,189 --> 02:06:28,880
a shout out to her mom

3072
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:31,199
and her her mom's name is angel

3073
02:06:34,069 --> 02:06:32,480
and uh

3074
02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:34,079
and it was the crazy

3075
02:06:38,470 --> 02:06:35,679
i can't wait to get home tonight and

3076
02:06:40,709 --> 02:06:38,480
tell mom that this and it was like that

3077
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:40,719
i was i drove home

3078
02:06:45,189 --> 02:06:43,199
i got my burgers with the biggest smile

3079
02:06:46,390 --> 02:06:45,199
on my face it was just the most awesome

3080
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:46,400
thing so

3081
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:49,760
uh thank you tommy's uh thank you

3082
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:51,440
and and angel you've got a great

3083
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:53,679
daughter okay so there's the shout out i

3084
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:55,520
have never done a shout out on this show

3085
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:56,320
john

3086
02:06:59,109 --> 02:06:57,520
i never have

3087
02:07:00,950 --> 02:06:59,119
it sounds like tommy's

3088
02:07:02,149 --> 02:07:00,960
should be your next sponsor

3089
02:07:02,950 --> 02:07:02,159
i know right

3090
02:07:07,109 --> 02:07:02,960
look

3091
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:07,119
the tommy's shirt on already

3092
02:07:11,750 --> 02:07:09,840
representing and uh

3093
02:07:13,990 --> 02:07:11,760
yeah it was uh it was very chilly in

3094
02:07:15,990 --> 02:07:14,000
your mixer board

3095
02:07:17,750 --> 02:07:16,000
let me tell you something that root beer

3096
02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:17,760
float and that double cheeseburger was

3097
02:07:24,069 --> 02:07:20,880
so good uh after that it was just uh an

3098
02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:24,079
amazing amazing it was just fun you know

3099
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:27,119
it put a smile on your face okay

3100
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:28,719
now

3101
02:07:36,390 --> 02:07:32,880
let's go to what is next and uh

3102
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:36,400
brian bender uh wrote an article it uh

3103
02:07:41,830 --> 02:07:38,719
it went out and uh was released on a few

3104
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:41,840
different uh media outlets today

3105
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,800
um about uh i think it was today right

3106
02:07:49,030 --> 02:07:46,560
was it yesterday was today it was uh

3107
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:49,040
today it was as far as i know

3108
02:07:51,510 --> 02:07:50,239
about

3109
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:51,520
um

3110
02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:53,040
no first did you get a chance to read

3111
02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:55,360
the article let's just start there i did

3112
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:56,320
okay

3113
02:07:58,709 --> 02:07:57,360
um

3114
02:08:03,030 --> 02:07:58,719
suggesting

3115
02:08:04,390 --> 02:08:03,040
that there is a big uh frustration uh

3116
02:08:07,350 --> 02:08:04,400
building up

3117
02:08:10,790 --> 02:08:07,360
uh on capitol hill with

3118
02:08:13,750 --> 02:08:10,800
trying to get information out of

3119
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:13,760
the different agencies uh

3120
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:17,840
cia i guess fbi nsa whoever

3121
02:08:22,629 --> 02:08:19,840
and the department of defense at

3122
02:08:26,229 --> 02:08:22,639
different branches of the military

3123
02:08:29,189 --> 02:08:26,239
getting information out for

3124
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:29,199
the legislation that was just passed

3125
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:32,320
do you have you have you heard of this

3126
02:08:38,550 --> 02:08:35,760
same frustration going on between

3127
02:08:40,149 --> 02:08:38,560
members of the senate and

3128
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:40,159
the senate intelligence committee and

3129
02:08:43,589 --> 02:08:41,760
whoever else

3130
02:08:46,470 --> 02:08:43,599
in congress the house of representatives

3131
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:46,480
that is looking into this matter

3132
02:08:51,430 --> 02:08:49,520
not getting what they want

3133
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:51,440
other than what's being reported right

3134
02:08:57,189 --> 02:08:54,079
now not really uh meaning i don't have

3135
02:08:58,470 --> 02:08:57,199
any extra information uh what i can say

3136
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:58,480
is that i know

3137
02:09:01,750 --> 02:09:00,800
it's very slow where

3138
02:09:04,709 --> 02:09:01,760
the

3139
02:09:06,550 --> 02:09:04,719
aoi msg that that new group that's

3140
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:06,560
that's essentially replacing the uap

3141
02:09:10,470 --> 02:09:07,840
task force

3142
02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:10,480
the implementation of that has been very

3143
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:11,520
slow

3144
02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:13,280
um i

3145
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:16,480
oddly got a foia request response in the

3146
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:18,800
last couple of days i didn't even post

3147
02:09:23,589 --> 02:09:19,840
it yet

3148
02:09:26,550 --> 02:09:23,599
but i did a search of kathleen hicks's

3149
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:26,560
email box for essentially all

3150
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:29,840
appearances of the name airborne object

3151
02:09:37,910 --> 02:09:35,920
which is part of the uh aoi msg acronym

3152
02:09:39,109 --> 02:09:37,920
for the audience who is kathleen hicks

3153
02:09:41,430 --> 02:09:39,119
so she's the

3154
02:09:43,589 --> 02:09:41,440
deputy under secretary of defense she's

3155
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:43,599
the one that wrote the press release

3156
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:46,480
announcing the aoi msg and

3157
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:47,840
and uh

3158
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:49,360
and the fact that it was replacing the

3159
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:51,520
uap task force and

3160
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:53,040
and so on so

3161
02:09:57,669 --> 02:09:55,520
i did this search on her mailbox for

3162
02:09:59,589 --> 02:09:57,679
these keywords that would

3163
02:10:02,149 --> 02:09:59,599
essentially for those who aren't aware

3164
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:02,159
with with the foia and what you can do

3165
02:10:06,390 --> 02:10:04,400
you can request reports and stuff like

3166
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:06,400
that and that's what a lot of people do

3167
02:10:11,589 --> 02:10:08,960
i love the communications the internal

3168
02:10:14,310 --> 02:10:11,599
banter the talk between people like

3169
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:14,320
hicks and whomever else on on the

3170
02:10:18,310 --> 02:10:16,239
creation of this and to be honest with

3171
02:10:19,910 --> 02:10:18,320
you i get more from that type of

3172
02:10:22,229 --> 02:10:19,920
material than i do

3173
02:10:25,510 --> 02:10:22,239
uh reports and stuff like that so i

3174
02:10:28,790 --> 02:10:25,520
filed this request and they said that

3175
02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:28,800
not a single occurrence of the acronym

3176
02:10:33,990 --> 02:10:32,239
aoi msg or the i think it's aoi

3177
02:10:36,550 --> 02:10:34,000
exec or whatever it is

3178
02:10:39,430 --> 02:10:36,560
which also ties into that and also

3179
02:10:40,709 --> 02:10:39,440
airborne object not a single email was

3180
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:40,719
received

3181
02:10:45,910 --> 02:10:43,040
either sent to her or sent out from her

3182
02:10:47,510 --> 02:10:45,920
which to me is unlikely so there's a lot

3183
02:10:51,189 --> 02:10:47,520
of the reason why i bring that up is

3184
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:51,199
that there's not only this slow

3185
02:10:55,830 --> 02:10:54,000
slowness to them creating this office

3186
02:10:57,109 --> 02:10:55,840
but it seems like there's very much a

3187
02:10:58,629 --> 02:10:57,119
push back

3188
02:11:01,510 --> 02:10:58,639
not only from the office of public

3189
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:01,520
affairs when you go for quotes uh but

3190
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:04,560
also the

3191
02:11:09,830 --> 02:11:07,520
the foia itself that they are telling

3192
02:11:11,030 --> 02:11:09,840
you things that likely just

3193
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:11,040
aren't true i mean what are the

3194
02:11:14,790 --> 02:11:13,199
likelihood she wrote the the release it

3195
02:11:17,030 --> 02:11:14,800
was credited to her

3196
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:17,040
what are what what's the likelihood of

3197
02:11:20,790 --> 02:11:18,800
of them

3198
02:11:23,030 --> 02:11:20,800
not not talking about the thing that

3199
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:23,040
they announced a single time it it

3200
02:11:27,430 --> 02:11:25,520
doesn't make sense um so there's a lot

3201
02:11:28,390 --> 02:11:27,440
of pushback there's a lot of secrecy

3202
02:11:30,870 --> 02:11:28,400
with this

3203
02:11:33,109 --> 02:11:30,880
and that's pretty frustrating because i

3204
02:11:35,350 --> 02:11:33,119
think a lot of people have very high

3205
02:11:37,030 --> 02:11:35,360
hopes that we're in a new era of

3206
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:37,040
transparency

3207
02:11:41,109 --> 02:11:38,880
but all evidence points to that we're

3208
02:11:42,550 --> 02:11:41,119
not so going back to your question when

3209
02:11:44,149 --> 02:11:42,560
i hear

3210
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:44,159
not only the rumors but obviously

3211
02:11:47,910 --> 02:11:45,840
published in politico now that they're

3212
02:11:49,350 --> 02:11:47,920
very frustrated meaning congress is very

3213
02:11:51,270 --> 02:11:49,360
frustrated

3214
02:11:53,510 --> 02:11:51,280
that's probably true they don't have

3215
02:11:55,750 --> 02:11:53,520
time to do what what people like me do

3216
02:11:58,310 --> 02:11:55,760
and file foias and try and sift through

3217
02:12:00,149 --> 02:11:58,320
evidence they want the give it to me now

3218
02:12:02,069 --> 02:12:00,159
like what what's the bottom line and

3219
02:12:04,149 --> 02:12:02,079
there is no bottom line so it's not

3220
02:12:05,669 --> 02:12:04,159
surprising at all because all evidence

3221
02:12:06,870 --> 02:12:05,679
points to

3222
02:12:09,030 --> 02:12:06,880
secrecy

3223
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:09,040
but also very much dragging their feet

3224
02:12:12,790 --> 02:12:10,960
on getting this off the ground

3225
02:12:15,109 --> 02:12:12,800
now didn't uh

3226
02:12:18,069 --> 02:12:15,119
didn't hicks

3227
02:12:21,990 --> 02:12:18,079
um now we're going with my

3228
02:12:25,830 --> 02:12:22,000
foggy memory bank but didn't hicks

3229
02:12:28,790 --> 02:12:25,840
last year on june 25th also release a

3230
02:12:33,270 --> 02:12:30,390
memo

3231
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:33,280
that all action with uap

3232
02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:35,920
reports needed to be done within two

3233
02:12:39,990 --> 02:12:38,320
weeks

3234
02:12:42,310 --> 02:12:40,000
she was the one that wrote that memo

3235
02:12:44,470 --> 02:12:42,320
that essentially said that and that tied

3236
02:12:46,950 --> 02:12:44,480
into more of the uap task force days

3237
02:12:48,629 --> 02:12:46,960
right right um but that coincided with

3238
02:12:51,030 --> 02:12:48,639
the public release

3239
02:12:53,109 --> 02:12:51,040
of the uap report

3240
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:53,119
right it was on the same day the same

3241
02:12:58,229 --> 02:12:55,520
day yeah and arguably that was more

3242
02:12:59,350 --> 02:12:58,239
interesting than the the public report

3243
02:13:01,750 --> 02:12:59,360
itself

3244
02:13:04,390 --> 02:13:01,760
no doubt no doubt yeah so that so she

3245
02:13:06,069 --> 02:13:04,400
was the one that wrote that uh and then

3246
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:06,079
fast forward she's the one that

3247
02:13:12,229 --> 02:13:09,679
announced the aoi msg uh whatever date

3248
02:13:14,229 --> 02:13:12,239
that was so i i used that press release

3249
02:13:16,470 --> 02:13:14,239
in my appeal so i am appealing it i'm

3250
02:13:18,229 --> 02:13:16,480
fighting it but the the secrecy is

3251
02:13:20,470 --> 02:13:18,239
definitely palpable here uh when it

3252
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:20,480
comes to uap because they just don't

3253
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:21,760
want to talk about it

3254
02:13:25,830 --> 02:13:23,760
uh one thing we haven't talked about i'm

3255
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:25,840
not trying to shift gears but the

3256
02:13:30,229 --> 02:13:27,840
classified version

3257
02:13:33,350 --> 02:13:30,239
of that public uap report i was able to

3258
02:13:35,589 --> 02:13:33,360
get that partially declassified

3259
02:13:38,709 --> 02:13:35,599
and and put out into the the public

3260
02:13:40,149 --> 02:13:38,719
sphere that was a a pretty big get i had

3261
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:40,159
fought for that for

3262
02:13:44,390 --> 02:13:42,320
a long time i've never followed up i

3263
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:44,400
think on any particular case

3264
02:13:47,910 --> 02:13:46,880
this was not a foia case but rather

3265
02:13:49,990 --> 02:13:47,920
what they call a mandatory

3266
02:13:52,390 --> 02:13:50,000
declassification review but my

3267
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:52,400
follow-ups were well into the double

3268
02:13:56,950 --> 02:13:54,719
digits over the course of of about a

3269
02:13:58,390 --> 02:13:56,960
year or so so it was

3270
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:58,400
it was a good get but

3271
02:14:02,149 --> 02:14:00,719
the secrecy is there i i and i stressed

3272
02:14:03,030 --> 02:14:02,159
that point and beat the dead horse

3273
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:03,040
because

3274
02:14:07,830 --> 02:14:05,760
so many are looking forward to this new

3275
02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:07,840
era of transparency

3276
02:14:13,350 --> 02:14:10,880
and and quite the opposite all signs

3277
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:13,360
point to the secrecy is deepening at

3278
02:14:17,270 --> 02:14:15,440
this point and i know i'm not popular

3279
02:14:19,430 --> 02:14:17,280
for saying that but that just it is what

3280
02:14:21,830 --> 02:14:19,440
it is

3281
02:14:23,750 --> 02:14:21,840
and uh one of the other documents that i

3282
02:14:26,310 --> 02:14:23,760
got was called a security classification

3283
02:14:27,589 --> 02:14:26,320
guide that specifically instructs how to

3284
02:14:29,589 --> 02:14:27,599
classify

3285
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:29,599
uap information

3286
02:14:34,550 --> 02:14:30,400
the

3287
02:14:37,510 --> 02:14:34,560
classified

3288
02:14:38,550 --> 02:14:37,520
and so the the secrecy here is from top

3289
02:14:40,870 --> 02:14:38,560
to bottom

3290
02:14:42,870 --> 02:14:40,880
clamping down on the uap issue they just

3291
02:14:45,990 --> 02:14:42,880
don't want to talk about it

3292
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:46,000
now we're sitting on may 2nd

3293
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:51,360
and we have two reports due in 2022

3294
02:14:55,430 --> 02:14:52,400
and then

3295
02:14:58,470 --> 02:14:55,440
public and one classified that'll be at

3296
02:15:00,470 --> 02:14:58,480
the end of december uh if if we stay on

3297
02:15:03,109 --> 02:15:00,480
this timetable

3298
02:15:05,109 --> 02:15:03,119
we're on may 2nd

3299
02:15:06,550 --> 02:15:05,119
what's next month correct me if i'm

3300
02:15:09,750 --> 02:15:06,560
wrong isn't it

3301
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:09,760
june june follows may

3302
02:15:13,189 --> 02:15:11,760
last i checked yes yeah last you checked

3303
02:15:15,750 --> 02:15:13,199
right yeah

3304
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:15,760
so are we do

3305
02:15:22,229 --> 02:15:20,320
an unclassified public report next month

3306
02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:22,239
well i believe that they were given

3307
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:23,760
something and that was kind of tying

3308
02:15:27,350 --> 02:15:25,840
into politico's reporting that they were

3309
02:15:28,550 --> 02:15:27,360
given uh

3310
02:15:33,990 --> 02:15:28,560
uh

3311
02:15:35,990 --> 02:15:34,000
remember the sequence of events but but

3312
02:15:37,669 --> 02:15:36,000
the the non-public version that that

3313
02:15:40,390 --> 02:15:37,679
update has occurred

3314
02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:40,400
uh the next public one i don't know off

3315
02:15:44,790 --> 02:15:42,560
the top of my head what it was but

3316
02:15:46,229 --> 02:15:44,800
i think it's it's up and coming

3317
02:15:48,790 --> 02:15:46,239
the reason why i don't know off the top

3318
02:15:50,790 --> 02:15:48,800
of my head is is to be blunt i'm not

3319
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:50,800
really excited about it

3320
02:15:57,430 --> 02:15:53,280
simply because i feel we will just get

3321
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:57,440
kind of a rehash of last year's report

3322
02:16:01,510 --> 02:15:59,679
what i'm more excited about are

3323
02:16:04,069 --> 02:16:01,520
literally the classified elements that

3324
02:16:06,629 --> 02:16:04,079
are given to congress that generally

3325
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:06,639
aren't fully classified so just because

3326
02:16:10,550 --> 02:16:08,159
you have a classified top secret

3327
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,560
document doesn't mean all elements on

3328
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:12,400
that are classified but they just don't

3329
02:16:17,030 --> 02:16:14,960
release it and my case in point is the

3330
02:16:19,189 --> 02:16:17,040
classified version of last year's report

3331
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:19,199
that i was able to get and we we were

3332
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:22,239
able to learn quite a bit more

3333
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:24,320
but in the same respect learn what is

3334
02:16:28,390 --> 02:16:26,239
classical what exactly

3335
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:28,400
they don't want to tell us my biggest

3336
02:16:35,429 --> 02:16:32,800
surprise was the shapes of ufos and uap

3337
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:35,439
and and that was a big kind of

3338
02:16:39,589 --> 02:16:37,120
i think surprise that they wouldn't even

3339
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:39,599
tell you what the shapes were now some

3340
02:16:43,750 --> 02:16:41,280
might say well they can't show you the

3341
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:43,760
photos or screen grabs from a video and

3342
02:16:47,990 --> 02:16:45,920
that would be classified and that's fine

3343
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:48,000
but actually the the textual

3344
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:50,639
descriptions of the shapes were also

3345
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:52,719
classified so i don't even want to go

3346
02:16:57,990 --> 02:16:56,160
there okay can't you appeal that page i

3347
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:58,000
did no i've i appealed the entire

3348
02:17:01,669 --> 02:16:59,359
release

3349
02:17:03,110 --> 02:17:01,679
it it became a lengthy appeal but what i

3350
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:03,120
did was i broke down all of the

3351
02:17:09,429 --> 02:17:06,559
redactions and uh there were some that

3352
02:17:12,309 --> 02:17:09,439
look i i understand secrecy to

3353
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:12,319
uh the point that i i don't always like

3354
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:13,120
it

3355
02:17:19,270 --> 02:17:17,280
fight every single redaction but a lot

3356
02:17:22,150 --> 02:17:19,280
of them i did and and the shapes were

3357
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:22,160
absolutely one of them uh because i i

3358
02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:23,599
felt that

3359
02:17:26,309 --> 02:17:25,519
that description

3360
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:26,319
with

3361
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:30,080
the statement that they could not

3362
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:32,960
they could not associate any of them to

3363
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:36,960
classified u.s military technology

3364
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:39,439
and on top of that could not attribute

3365
02:17:45,509 --> 02:17:42,800
them to a foreign power that if those

3366
02:17:46,950 --> 02:17:45,519
two statements are true

3367
02:17:48,790 --> 02:17:46,960
a shape

3368
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:48,800
would not tread into classified

3369
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:49,920
territory

3370
02:17:52,950 --> 02:17:51,200
why would it

3371
02:17:55,589 --> 02:17:52,960
right now

3372
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:55,599
do i agree with the first two statements

3373
02:17:59,349 --> 02:17:58,000
no i do believe they are lying

3374
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:59,359
but

3375
02:18:03,110 --> 02:18:00,719
operating off the assumption that

3376
02:18:06,230 --> 02:18:03,120
they're not lying i believe my appeal

3377
02:18:08,950 --> 02:18:06,240
should should at least get something

3378
02:18:10,709 --> 02:18:08,960
so that is in a small nutshell of kind

3379
02:18:12,469 --> 02:18:10,719
of how i fought that i used their own

3380
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:12,479
words against them because you can't

3381
02:18:16,150 --> 02:18:14,639
classify something you just don't know

3382
02:18:18,709 --> 02:18:16,160
you know don't tell me the sensor name

3383
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:18,719
that's fine or the sensor that captured

3384
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:20,719
it or the instrumentation i get that

3385
02:18:25,589 --> 02:18:22,559
that's secrecy that sometimes i don't

3386
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:25,599
like but i understand it but don't tell

3387
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:27,519
me you have absolutely no idea what it

3388
02:18:32,070 --> 02:18:30,719
is it's not classified uh u.s tech it's

3389
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:32,080
not

3390
02:18:35,910 --> 02:18:33,920
uh

3391
02:18:37,990 --> 02:18:35,920
a platform from another foreign

3392
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:38,000
government or military so you can't tell

3393
02:18:41,270 --> 02:18:39,679
me in the same breath all of that is

3394
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:41,280
true but then go oh we can't tell you

3395
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:43,200
that because it's classified the shape

3396
02:18:47,190 --> 02:18:45,280
is classified it's silly uh to be honest

3397
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:47,200
with you and i've seen evidence that

3398
02:18:50,830 --> 02:18:48,960
that they are maintaining

3399
02:18:53,910 --> 02:18:50,840
that secrecy but i'm fighting it

3400
02:18:58,469 --> 02:18:53,920
nonetheless what if that image was the

3401
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:58,479
ufo shapes poster you can buy on amazon

3402
02:19:02,230 --> 02:19:00,000
where the is that the one where ever

3403
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:02,240
under everyone is weather balloon yeah

3404
02:19:05,190 --> 02:19:03,760
yeah no matter what the shape of a

3405
02:19:08,309 --> 02:19:05,200
weather balloon whether

3406
02:19:10,549 --> 02:19:08,319
i like that one oh man you know

3407
02:19:12,870 --> 02:19:10,559
that wouldn't surprise me by the way

3408
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:12,880
this came in from daryl uh and thank you

3409
02:19:17,509 --> 02:19:14,800
for this daryl i just want to get this

3410
02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:17,519
in uh really quick john jfk

3411
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:21,599
what can you still not review

3412
02:19:25,669 --> 02:19:23,120
it's a great question daryl it's a

3413
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:25,679
loaded one too but in a nutshell when

3414
02:19:29,030 --> 02:19:27,280
trump had put the

3415
02:19:31,509 --> 02:19:29,040
the essentially the order out there for

3416
02:19:34,230 --> 02:19:31,519
them to declassify everything

3417
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:34,240
uh what was surprising was trump

3418
02:19:39,349 --> 02:19:37,200
eventually agreed with the pushback by

3419
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:39,359
the intelligence community to not

3420
02:19:44,230 --> 02:19:42,080
declassify everything so the the man who

3421
02:19:46,549 --> 02:19:44,240
vowed to to drain the swamp and turn

3422
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:46,559
everything upside down ended up agreeing

3423
02:19:51,429 --> 02:19:49,040
with the secrecy what exactly that

3424
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:51,439
material was is kind of a guess we don't

3425
02:19:56,790 --> 02:19:54,880
really know we do know it totals likely

3426
02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:56,800
uh tens of thousands of pages i mean

3427
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:58,160
there's quite a bit that the national

3428
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:00,399
archives are still holding on to

3429
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:03,200
and i forget what the next date is uh

3430
02:20:08,950 --> 02:20:06,000
but we did see a release last year i

3431
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:08,960
think uh the date was uh which which i

3432
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:11,120
was right there to archive and make

3433
02:20:16,630 --> 02:20:13,120
searchable uh but they are still

3434
02:20:18,710 --> 02:20:16,640
withholding information so to your

3435
02:20:20,790 --> 02:20:18,720
question what exactly it is that we

3436
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:20,800
can't review it's anybody's guess we

3437
02:20:25,349 --> 02:20:23,040
don't really know but every time they do

3438
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:25,359
kind of let some of these documents go

3439
02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:27,920
into the public sphere we do learn some

3440
02:20:32,469 --> 02:20:30,240
nuggets here or there but still kind of

3441
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:32,479
surprising that after all these decades

3442
02:20:35,830 --> 02:20:34,560
they're still not wanting to tell us

3443
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:35,840
what's going on

3444
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:38,240
have you seen uh the new oliver stone

3445
02:20:42,630 --> 02:20:40,240
documentary

3446
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:42,640
the new one i have not no yeah yeah go

3447
02:20:47,270 --> 02:20:45,120
check it out it's it's it's worth it

3448
02:20:50,710 --> 02:20:47,280
i'll yeah i'll definitely do that it's

3449
02:20:51,750 --> 02:20:50,720
it's you know the thing is

3450
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:51,760
uh

3451
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:54,160
i think that the more that we look at

3452
02:20:56,389 --> 02:20:55,439
this

3453
02:20:59,349 --> 02:20:56,399
um

3454
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:59,359
there was just more people involved

3455
02:21:03,750 --> 02:21:01,040
you know that's it that's it there's

3456
02:21:04,550 --> 02:21:03,760
just no way that this was just resting

3457
02:21:09,110 --> 02:21:04,560
on

3458
02:21:12,150 --> 02:21:09,120
it just

3459
02:21:13,830 --> 02:21:12,160
it's not that and i think that is what

3460
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:13,840
you can't review

3461
02:21:18,790 --> 02:21:17,200
is is who else i mean who was oswald

3462
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:18,800
communicating with was there a second

3463
02:21:22,550 --> 02:21:19,840
gun

3464
02:21:25,670 --> 02:21:22,560
uh or two or three

3465
02:21:26,710 --> 02:21:25,680
um was it soviet was it something else

3466
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:26,720
was it

3467
02:21:32,070 --> 02:21:28,720
uh

3468
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:32,080
the mafia was it that was i mean there's

3469
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:34,640
just so many possibilities here

3470
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:37,439
um but it's just

3471
02:21:42,230 --> 02:21:39,680
oswald by himself

3472
02:21:44,150 --> 02:21:42,240
that's the part it's just now it's it it

3473
02:21:45,030 --> 02:21:44,160
just doesn't it doesn't sit right with

3474
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:45,040
me

3475
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:47,200
so no and there's a lot that doesn't

3476
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:48,560
yeah there's a lot that doesn't sit

3477
02:21:53,349 --> 02:21:51,040
right with that whole story and i and i

3478
02:21:55,910 --> 02:21:53,359
i'm always a firm believer that that

3479
02:21:58,790 --> 02:21:55,920
when you deal with document caches like

3480
02:22:01,510 --> 02:21:58,800
all the jfk assassination files that the

3481
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:01,520
the there's a lot outside of that that

3482
02:22:06,630 --> 02:22:03,520
in my opinion may even be more

3483
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:06,640
interesting uh where i discovered uh

3484
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:09,200
johnny roselli has tons

3485
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:11,200
of files that have never seen the light

3486
02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:13,200
of day before and and he's obviously

3487
02:22:17,510 --> 02:22:15,280
someone who was entrenched with

3488
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:17,520
many different sinister operations with

3489
02:22:21,030 --> 02:22:19,840
the cia and so on so you look at all

3490
02:22:22,389 --> 02:22:21,040
these different names and there's a lot

3491
02:22:24,230 --> 02:22:22,399
of documents that

3492
02:22:26,550 --> 02:22:24,240
in my opinion probably never made it

3493
02:22:28,070 --> 02:22:26,560
over to the warren commission that maybe

3494
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:28,080
even never made it to the national

3495
02:22:31,349 --> 02:22:30,399
archives that are just

3496
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:31,359
sitting there

3497
02:22:36,230 --> 02:22:34,000
in archives boxes that are just

3498
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:36,240
collecting dust and and i i think that

3499
02:22:40,469 --> 02:22:38,160
there's more answers

3500
02:22:42,630 --> 02:22:40,479
or or at least some of the unanswered uh

3501
02:22:44,389 --> 02:22:42,640
questions that we haven't found yet uh

3502
02:22:46,469 --> 02:22:44,399
but i think there's there's more answers

3503
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:46,479
outside of that main cache of records

3504
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:47,439
that

3505
02:22:51,510 --> 02:22:49,200
are pretty tough to come by but they're

3506
02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:51,520
there and the the roselli files i forget

3507
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:53,120
how many thousands they told me there

3508
02:22:56,710 --> 02:22:54,399
were but

3509
02:22:58,469 --> 02:22:56,720
it just comes down to money and waiting

3510
02:23:00,630 --> 02:22:58,479
years for them to review it if you

3511
02:23:02,070 --> 02:23:00,640
decided to move forward yeah there's so

3512
02:23:05,349 --> 02:23:02,080
much stuff to talk about when it comes

3513
02:23:06,870 --> 02:23:05,359
to jfk but you know what i'm just a i'm

3514
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:06,880
just a guy

3515
02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:08,240
and

3516
02:23:14,070 --> 02:23:10,960
like anybody else

3517
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:14,080
i like guns and bullets and things and

3518
02:23:17,270 --> 02:23:16,399
and playing cowboys and and all that

3519
02:23:20,630 --> 02:23:17,280
stuff

3520
02:23:23,910 --> 02:23:20,640
you look at that the magic bullet

3521
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:23,920
there's not a scratch on it right

3522
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:25,120
and this thing

3523
02:23:30,950 --> 02:23:27,439
you know bounced through two bodies and

3524
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:30,960
15 bones and and everything else and and

3525
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,760
it's perfect

3526
02:23:37,429 --> 02:23:35,760
i don't know man i don't know and and

3527
02:23:39,270 --> 02:23:37,439
how it was found

3528
02:23:41,429 --> 02:23:39,280
you know after the fact and the chain of

3529
02:23:43,190 --> 02:23:41,439
custody that that went through put

3530
02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:43,200
everything else aside just

3531
02:23:47,349 --> 02:23:44,960
okay all right all right all right but

3532
02:23:49,349 --> 02:23:47,359
that bullet doesn't make any sense to me

3533
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:49,359
man it just doesn't

3534
02:23:53,270 --> 02:23:50,640
yeah i think there's a lot that doesn't

3535
02:23:54,870 --> 02:23:53,280
make sense about the whole story and uh

3536
02:23:56,870 --> 02:23:54,880
and i mean who knows what happens on

3537
02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:56,880
this next deadline if we'll learn more

3538
02:24:00,389 --> 02:23:58,000
about

3539
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:00,399
what oswald was really doing or or who

3540
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:02,880
was communicating with oswald and

3541
02:24:06,389 --> 02:24:05,200
isn't everybody dead

3542
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,399
right i mean

3543
02:24:11,830 --> 02:24:09,040
you think i mean i i believe that it was

3544
02:24:13,910 --> 02:24:11,840
planned that once uh jackie had died

3545
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:13,920
that a lot of a lot if not all of the

3546
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:15,600
material and they pushed that deadline

3547
02:24:19,270 --> 02:24:17,760
too so right right you know a lot of

3548
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:19,280
people thought because a lot of those

3549
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:21,040
people were still around for many years

3550
02:24:23,750 --> 02:24:22,560
they thought a lot of those people were

3551
02:24:26,070 --> 02:24:23,760
still around

3552
02:24:27,349 --> 02:24:26,080
that they would uh declassify once they

3553
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:27,359
were gone well

3554
02:24:31,510 --> 02:24:29,359
it's really like no you know who's le i

3555
02:24:33,429 --> 02:24:31,520
don't really know any major players that

3556
02:24:35,990 --> 02:24:33,439
are still left uh

3557
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:36,000
when it comes to that that story so how

3558
02:24:40,389 --> 02:24:38,080
many generations do you have to go down

3559
02:24:43,349 --> 02:24:40,399
before you finally say okay fine here's

3560
02:24:44,950 --> 02:24:43,359
all the secrets you know uh i i i don't

3561
02:24:47,349 --> 02:24:44,960
know the answer to that

3562
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:47,359
is uh uh thank you for this grant john

3563
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:49,120
thank you for your continued dedication

3564
02:24:55,670 --> 02:24:52,240
to foia and for being being a bastion

3565
02:24:57,670 --> 02:24:55,680
for transparency is bastion the last

3566
02:24:59,590 --> 02:24:57,680
or you don't like that what is bastion

3567
02:25:02,309 --> 02:24:59,600
what's the actual definition

3568
02:25:04,150 --> 02:25:02,319
uh what pending request appeals are you

3569
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:04,160
most hopeful for

3570
02:25:13,190 --> 02:25:04,960
uh

3571
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:13,200
australia and um

3572
02:25:19,349 --> 02:25:16,240
what am i most hopeful for you know i

3573
02:25:23,429 --> 02:25:21,270
there's a lot that i'm going for and i'm

3574
02:25:26,550 --> 02:25:23,439
excited about many different things in

3575
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:26,560
in different ways um i i think the

3576
02:25:31,429 --> 02:25:28,960
appeal on the uap classified report the

3577
02:25:33,510 --> 02:25:31,439
one that i submitted i feel has a good

3578
02:25:35,670 --> 02:25:33,520
a good chance at getting us some kind of

3579
02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:35,680
a glimpse underneath those shapes which

3580
02:25:39,429 --> 02:25:37,200
i think would really help excel this

3581
02:25:41,349 --> 02:25:39,439
story i really do i mean i think there's

3582
02:25:43,110 --> 02:25:41,359
a reason why they're keeping them secret

3583
02:25:43,910 --> 02:25:43,120
and i think i put up a good enough case

3584
02:25:48,870 --> 02:25:43,920
to

3585
02:25:49,910 --> 02:25:48,880
declassified um some of the cases that i

3586
02:25:51,990 --> 02:25:49,920
have

3587
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:52,000
uh go into the emails i know i've

3588
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:53,520
already said it but the emails really

3589
02:25:58,150 --> 02:25:56,000
give you a certain picture and i just

3590
02:25:59,590 --> 02:25:58,160
got word this morning

3591
02:26:01,190 --> 02:25:59,600
from the navy

3592
02:26:03,750 --> 02:26:01,200
that there's about five different

3593
02:26:06,389 --> 02:26:03,760
requests of a very important person

3594
02:26:08,710 --> 02:26:06,399
involved in this story that i've hit

3595
02:26:11,110 --> 02:26:08,720
with requests on their email box that

3596
02:26:13,030 --> 02:26:11,120
are that are pretty much done so from

3597
02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:13,040
what i understand there's a final legal

3598
02:26:16,150 --> 02:26:15,200
review and i should get them

3599
02:26:17,990 --> 02:26:16,160
if

3600
02:26:21,110 --> 02:26:18,000
what i think is there

3601
02:26:24,389 --> 02:26:21,120
it's going to be a big glimpse into

3602
02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:24,399
potentially going back to the a-tip days

3603
02:26:29,990 --> 02:26:27,520
but more so the uap task force days uh

3604
02:26:31,990 --> 02:26:30,000
and what exactly they were doing so i'm

3605
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:32,000
i'm pretty hopeful about that

3606
02:26:38,630 --> 02:26:35,520
now you answered that like lou elizondo

3607
02:26:40,469 --> 02:26:38,640
how's that well he didn't say anything

3608
02:26:41,830 --> 02:26:40,479
well but that's the thing i can't overly

3609
02:26:45,510 --> 02:26:41,840
promise either because i don't know the

3610
02:26:47,830 --> 02:26:45,520
results um but per his question he what

3611
02:26:49,750 --> 02:26:47,840
do i have open and and that's part of

3612
02:26:51,670 --> 02:26:49,760
the fun but also the frustration with

3613
02:26:53,349 --> 02:26:51,680
foia because you have absolutely no idea

3614
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:53,359
where you're going to end up

3615
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:54,160
so

3616
02:26:57,190 --> 02:26:55,359
i don't want you to think i'm dodging

3617
02:26:59,429 --> 02:26:57,200
the question but there's really there's

3618
02:27:01,030 --> 02:26:59,439
no way to tell i mean unless you're

3619
02:27:03,670 --> 02:27:01,040
going for a specific document that you

3620
02:27:04,710 --> 02:27:03,680
know exists and i do have cases like

3621
02:27:07,270 --> 02:27:04,720
that

3622
02:27:09,190 --> 02:27:07,280
for example leaked documents leaked

3623
02:27:11,750 --> 02:27:09,200
emails you know where you try and get

3624
02:27:14,550 --> 02:27:11,760
them declassified the the harry reid

3625
02:27:15,990 --> 02:27:14,560
letter is a prime example of that

3626
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:16,000
where i was trying to get information

3627
02:27:18,550 --> 02:27:17,520
associated with that so i knew it

3628
02:27:20,950 --> 02:27:18,560
existed

3629
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:20,960
but what else was there that kind of

3630
02:27:24,710 --> 02:27:23,280
stuff other than that with the foia it's

3631
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:24,720
a crap shoot

3632
02:27:27,190 --> 02:27:26,319
it really is because at the end of the

3633
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:27,200
day

3634
02:27:32,950 --> 02:27:29,359
you have no idea what you're going to

3635
02:27:35,990 --> 02:27:32,960
get which is why after almost 26 years

3636
02:27:36,950 --> 02:27:36,000
when i get either an email that comes in

3637
02:27:38,790 --> 02:27:36,960
or

3638
02:27:42,630 --> 02:27:38,800
a a

3639
02:27:44,630 --> 02:27:42,640
physical package box envelope whatever

3640
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:44,640
it doesn't matter who it is but if it's

3641
02:27:48,309 --> 02:27:46,479
related to foia i am a little kid in a

3642
02:27:50,230 --> 02:27:48,319
candy store because i have no idea

3643
02:27:52,070 --> 02:27:50,240
what's in it sometimes it's a thousand

3644
02:27:53,910 --> 02:27:52,080
pages sometimes it's four

3645
02:27:55,110 --> 02:27:53,920
uh i got a request which i'm actually

3646
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:55,120
going to be publishing this probably

3647
02:28:01,270 --> 02:27:57,200
tomorrow by the end of the week

3648
02:28:03,429 --> 02:28:01,280
but over 800 pages of nasa uap related

3649
02:28:05,349 --> 02:28:03,439
emails that uh

3650
02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:05,359
that they released to me

3651
02:28:09,349 --> 02:28:07,040
and it's only the first release there's

3652
02:28:11,830 --> 02:28:09,359
actually quite a bit more so

3653
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:11,840
again these are these are just you never

3654
02:28:16,950 --> 02:28:14,319
know what you get it's a get a kid in a

3655
02:28:19,429 --> 02:28:16,960
candy store when i get to open it

3656
02:28:21,990 --> 02:28:19,439
let's uh let's take a break i'm gonna uh

3657
02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:22,000
talk you into uh overtime because i want

3658
02:28:25,830 --> 02:28:23,680
to talk more about this release you

3659
02:28:27,030 --> 02:28:25,840
always do well you don't even ask

3660
02:28:28,950 --> 02:28:27,040
anymore you're like you'll stay for

3661
02:28:31,349 --> 02:28:28,960
overtime it'll be fine

3662
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:31,359
yeah yeah it's kind of that's exactly

3663
02:28:34,870 --> 02:28:33,280
the case actually so let's take our

3664
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:34,880
break right here this is fade to black

3665
02:28:39,349 --> 02:28:36,800
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3666
02:28:42,469 --> 02:28:39,359
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3667
02:28:44,870 --> 02:28:42,479
time i'm not ready uh to say good night

3668
02:28:47,110 --> 02:28:44,880
so we will be right back over time with

3669
02:28:49,550 --> 02:28:47,120
john greenwald right after this short

3670
02:28:55,310 --> 02:28:49,560
break stay with us

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02:29:11,660 --> 02:29:10,370
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02:34:02,870 --> 02:33:59,920
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3765
02:34:04,309 --> 02:34:02,880
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3766
02:34:06,630 --> 02:34:04,319
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3767
02:34:09,190 --> 02:34:06,640
on video together

3768
02:34:11,670 --> 02:34:09,200
great conversation tonight and uh and

3769
02:34:14,230 --> 02:34:11,680
here's the deal i wasn't gonna let john

3770
02:34:18,309 --> 02:34:14,240
go i wasn't gonna let john go

3771
02:34:21,190 --> 02:34:18,319
and uh yeah john um

3772
02:34:23,510 --> 02:34:21,200
i want a little sneak preview

3773
02:34:26,469 --> 02:34:23,520
about this uh uh

3774
02:34:29,030 --> 02:34:26,479
thing that you're gonna publish tomorrow

3775
02:34:31,990 --> 02:34:29,040
and i want to understand you clearly you

3776
02:34:34,630 --> 02:34:32,000
said 800 documents from the navy uh no

3777
02:34:37,910 --> 02:34:34,640
from nasa

3778
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:37,920
yeah so i've posted uh selections of

3779
02:34:41,830 --> 02:34:39,840
these before it's nothing groundbreaking

3780
02:34:43,590 --> 02:34:41,840
so please don't don't don't i don't want

3781
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:43,600
to make it seem like a tease that it's

3782
02:34:45,830 --> 02:34:44,399
going to

3783
02:34:47,670 --> 02:34:45,840
change the planet

3784
02:34:48,710 --> 02:34:47,680
but rather it's just kind of an inside

3785
02:34:51,830 --> 02:34:48,720
look at

3786
02:34:55,510 --> 02:34:51,840
nasa communicating about uap

3787
02:35:00,469 --> 02:34:57,510
it ties into a case that is actually

3788
02:35:01,510 --> 02:35:00,479
still ongoing that has produced a couple

3789
02:35:02,389 --> 02:35:01,520
thousand

3790
02:35:06,550 --> 02:35:02,399
uh

3791
02:35:08,550 --> 02:35:06,560
charged me

3792
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:08,560
i forget how many hundreds of dollars

3793
02:35:11,429 --> 02:35:10,240
but i agreed to pay i think it was over

3794
02:35:14,469 --> 02:35:11,439
300

3795
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:14,479
but but they they are charging me for it

3796
02:35:19,830 --> 02:35:18,160
uh and i'm waiting for the releases so

3797
02:35:21,349 --> 02:35:19,840
we um

3798
02:35:24,070 --> 02:35:21,359
we'll see what comes out of that but

3799
02:35:26,469 --> 02:35:24,080
i've already had previous releases uh

3800
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:26,479
one of which was over 800 pages

3801
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:29,520
another one was another nasa uh press

3802
02:35:34,309 --> 02:35:31,760
officer i've got all those going online

3803
02:35:35,270 --> 02:35:34,319
as well so some i've highlighted before

3804
02:35:38,150 --> 02:35:35,280
just

3805
02:35:40,630 --> 02:35:38,160
zeroing in on on a page here or there uh

3806
02:35:41,670 --> 02:35:40,640
but this is actually the full dump

3807
02:35:44,950 --> 02:35:41,680
so

3808
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:44,960
in your request

3809
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:49,520
you've requested uh everything that nasa

3810
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:51,439
has communicated

3811
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:52,319
with

3812
02:35:57,830 --> 02:35:55,520
uap in the communication correct yeah

3813
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:57,840
there was a list of nasa personnel so i

3814
02:36:02,950 --> 02:36:00,640
had published some i believe last year i

3815
02:36:05,030 --> 02:36:02,960
remember had made discoveries like the

3816
02:36:08,550 --> 02:36:05,040
director bill nelson being briefed on

3817
02:36:10,469 --> 02:36:08,560
uap the date he was briefed uh why that

3818
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:10,479
kind of stuff is important is then you

3819
02:36:15,190 --> 02:36:13,040
start going after the material that was

3820
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:15,200
involved in that particular briefing or

3821
02:36:19,910 --> 02:36:17,600
if you find out that there are meetings

3822
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:19,920
you can go after material like that like

3823
02:36:25,910 --> 02:36:23,840
that so it really gives a lot of um

3824
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:25,920
leads for further cases but then it

3825
02:36:30,070 --> 02:36:28,399
reveals a lot of information as well so

3826
02:36:33,510 --> 02:36:30,080
it's it's kind of the

3827
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:33,520
the progression over multiple cases to

3828
02:36:38,630 --> 02:36:36,080
get to a point where then i filed a case

3829
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:38,640
i actually filed like 10 cases last year

3830
02:36:44,230 --> 02:36:41,280
but they didn't like that so they accu

3831
02:36:46,950 --> 02:36:44,240
they aggregated them all into one

3832
02:36:49,110 --> 02:36:46,960
which then usually results in a lot of

3833
02:36:51,510 --> 02:36:49,120
fees but they said that they were too

3834
02:36:52,550 --> 02:36:51,520
similar what i did was like 10 different

3835
02:36:55,030 --> 02:36:52,560
cases

3836
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:55,040
10 different nasa personnel

3837
02:36:59,830 --> 02:36:57,280
all essentially searching for the same

3838
02:37:00,950 --> 02:36:59,840
thing so they've aggregated it all into

3839
02:37:02,710 --> 02:37:00,960
one

3840
02:37:04,469 --> 02:37:02,720
are charging me hundreds of dollars but

3841
02:37:07,110 --> 02:37:04,479
they found thousands of pages

3842
02:37:09,349 --> 02:37:07,120
so we'll we'll see so i as of about

3843
02:37:11,349 --> 02:37:09,359
three weeks ago had um

3844
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:11,359
uh filed the paperwork that said yes i

3845
02:37:16,389 --> 02:37:13,920
will pay i've already filed the deposit

3846
02:37:17,990 --> 02:37:16,399
the they confirmed receipt and they are

3847
02:37:20,389 --> 02:37:18,000
reviewing the material so there's still

3848
02:37:22,710 --> 02:37:20,399
a lot more to come but this is the first

3849
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:22,720
uh dump in those cases

3850
02:37:28,070 --> 02:37:26,080
now did this stem off of

3851
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:28,080
uh the communications that you had

3852
02:37:32,710 --> 02:37:30,240
published earlier

3853
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,720
that were requesting

3854
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:34,560
the classified

3855
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:37,600
uh powerpoint presentation

3856
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:41,920
so there was an indicator that that

3857
02:37:47,190 --> 02:37:44,240
well i believe it was a nasa case that

3858
02:37:50,309 --> 02:37:47,200
produced that that existed but likely

3859
02:37:52,309 --> 02:37:50,319
that will not come from nasa so when

3860
02:37:55,190 --> 02:37:52,319
dealing with the foia you have to figure

3861
02:37:57,190 --> 02:37:55,200
out who the oca was the oca

3862
02:37:59,510 --> 02:37:57,200
stands for the original classifying

3863
02:38:02,389 --> 02:37:59,520
authority so let's just say a quick

3864
02:38:04,389 --> 02:38:02,399
example if the cia creates a report and

3865
02:38:07,750 --> 02:38:04,399
sends it over to the nsa

3866
02:38:10,870 --> 02:38:07,760
uh the nsa cannot through foia release

3867
02:38:13,670 --> 02:38:10,880
it it has to go back to the cia they

3868
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:13,680
have to look at look at look it over and

3869
02:38:18,230 --> 02:38:15,280
they are what's called the release

3870
02:38:20,309 --> 02:38:18,240
authority because they were the oca so

3871
02:38:21,429 --> 02:38:20,319
with nasa yes it was revealed that there

3872
02:38:24,790 --> 02:38:21,439
was

3873
02:38:26,790 --> 02:38:24,800
not only a powerpoint presentation but

3874
02:38:31,190 --> 02:38:26,800
also a video

3875
02:38:34,950 --> 02:38:31,200
of the classified uap briefing itself

3876
02:38:37,030 --> 02:38:34,960
and i believe that they made that so if

3877
02:38:39,670 --> 02:38:37,040
someone's schedule didn't align or in

3878
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:39,680
the time of covid with uh

3879
02:38:43,830 --> 02:38:42,080
telework and stuff like that that in a

3880
02:38:46,790 --> 02:38:43,840
secure setting they could just pull up

3881
02:38:49,590 --> 02:38:46,800
the video and watch the briefing and you

3882
02:38:52,309 --> 02:38:49,600
better believe the moment that i saw

3883
02:38:55,110 --> 02:38:52,319
that there was a video of the classified

3884
02:38:58,070 --> 02:38:55,120
briefing i filed a case for it that's

3885
02:39:01,429 --> 02:38:58,080
the first time in writing i've ever seen

3886
02:39:03,270 --> 02:39:01,439
that a video of the briefing existed uh

3887
02:39:05,830 --> 02:39:03,280
we knew about powerpoint presentations

3888
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:05,840
we knew about in-person briefings but

3889
02:39:11,590 --> 02:39:08,399
never that they were actually videotaped

3890
02:39:14,309 --> 02:39:11,600
and available so i am going after that

3891
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:14,319
will i get the entire presentation i

3892
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:16,240
don't know will i get part of it i hope

3893
02:39:19,830 --> 02:39:17,920
so

3894
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:19,840
the

3895
02:39:27,030 --> 02:39:25,600
um this is something that i i think i

3896
02:39:30,950 --> 02:39:27,040
would like you to answer this you

3897
02:39:33,750 --> 02:39:30,960
develop uh a spidey sense over the years

3898
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:33,760
right and so you you see a document like

3899
02:39:38,710 --> 02:39:34,960
this where

3900
02:39:41,429 --> 02:39:38,720
i mean clearly there's a request for

3901
02:39:43,429 --> 02:39:41,439
this this classified powerpoint

3902
02:39:46,630 --> 02:39:43,439
uh reaching out to

3903
02:39:49,190 --> 02:39:46,640
uh was it the uap task force at the time

3904
02:39:52,070 --> 02:39:49,200
yeah yeah and uh

3905
02:39:54,469 --> 02:39:52,080
and on behalf of bill nelson right that

3906
02:39:57,750 --> 02:39:54,479
he wanted to review

3907
02:39:59,190 --> 02:39:57,760
this uh the classified portion of this

3908
02:40:00,950 --> 02:39:59,200
powerpoint

3909
02:40:03,990 --> 02:40:00,960
for their meeting that was about to go

3910
02:40:06,070 --> 02:40:04,000
down at nasa that was covering uaps this

3911
02:40:07,510 --> 02:40:06,080
is a pretty significant stuff right and

3912
02:40:10,550 --> 02:40:07,520
so you know

3913
02:40:13,349 --> 02:40:10,560
right then you've got a path to go down

3914
02:40:15,510 --> 02:40:13,359
correct yeah the leads are amazing when

3915
02:40:17,429 --> 02:40:15,520
it comes to that and one of the other

3916
02:40:18,790 --> 02:40:17,439
things and i'm paraphrasing here because

3917
02:40:19,910 --> 02:40:18,800
i don't have the document to read to you

3918
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:19,920
but

3919
02:40:24,790 --> 02:40:21,680
essentially what it was was they had

3920
02:40:27,670 --> 02:40:24,800
offered a unclassified brief

3921
02:40:28,870 --> 02:40:27,680
to bill nelson to kind of review uap

3922
02:40:33,670 --> 02:40:28,880
information

3923
02:40:35,830 --> 02:40:33,680
and j stratton who was the navy guy who

3924
02:40:38,469 --> 02:40:35,840
was labeled in these nasa documents as

3925
02:40:39,590 --> 02:40:38,479
the head of the uap task force at the

3926
02:40:42,309 --> 02:40:39,600
time

3927
02:40:43,510 --> 02:40:42,319
essentially said that it would not show

3928
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:43,520
him anything

3929
02:40:47,269 --> 02:40:45,840
that it would not not give him what he

3930
02:40:49,910 --> 02:40:47,279
wanted

3931
02:40:51,349 --> 02:40:49,920
i believe they used the phrasing scratch

3932
02:40:53,429 --> 02:40:51,359
the itch

3933
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:53,439
because he wanted to know more but

3934
02:40:58,389 --> 02:40:55,920
regardless it was very telling because

3935
02:41:01,349 --> 02:40:58,399
here bill nelson wanted to know more

3936
02:41:02,389 --> 02:41:01,359
there was unclassified slash public

3937
02:41:04,469 --> 02:41:02,399
material

3938
02:41:06,550 --> 02:41:04,479
that he could review and the head of the

3939
02:41:08,469 --> 02:41:06,560
uap task force said now that probably

3940
02:41:11,190 --> 02:41:08,479
won't teach him anything

3941
02:41:12,550 --> 02:41:11,200
so i asked the question then why are we

3942
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:12,560
getting so excited about these

3943
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:14,800
unclassified public reports when

3944
02:41:17,990 --> 02:41:16,399
essentially the head of the uap task

3945
02:41:20,309 --> 02:41:18,000
force at the time is saying it's not

3946
02:41:22,950 --> 02:41:20,319
really going to teach you anything so it

3947
02:41:25,429 --> 02:41:22,960
to me it's an interesting window in how

3948
02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:25,439
everybody communicates on the inside and

3949
02:41:29,670 --> 02:41:27,520
how they view the material that they

3950
02:41:32,230 --> 02:41:29,680
release to the public but also that of

3951
02:41:35,349 --> 02:41:32,240
which they hold as classified

3952
02:41:38,870 --> 02:41:35,359
well and this also predated uh

3953
02:41:41,190 --> 02:41:38,880
by a number of months bill nelson's now

3954
02:41:43,910 --> 02:41:41,200
famous interview that he did with the

3955
02:41:45,910 --> 02:41:43,920
university on the east coast

3956
02:41:47,910 --> 02:41:45,920
at the tail end of this which was for

3957
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:47,920
the political science department of this

3958
02:41:50,710 --> 02:41:49,680
university right the politics behind

3959
02:41:52,870 --> 02:41:50,720
nasa

3960
02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:52,880
uh which was all great but it was that

3961
02:41:58,630 --> 02:41:54,640
last 10 minutes

3962
02:41:59,670 --> 02:41:58,640
where bill fully revealed

3963
02:42:04,230 --> 02:41:59,680
that

3964
02:42:06,550 --> 02:42:04,240
what they're doing they're out there

3965
02:42:10,309 --> 02:42:06,560
searching and if there's anybody out

3966
02:42:11,990 --> 02:42:10,319
there that is working at this it is nasa

3967
02:42:15,030 --> 02:42:12,000
and he went much further than i'm

3968
02:42:18,550 --> 02:42:15,040
paraphrasing right now he went very

3969
02:42:22,309 --> 02:42:18,560
uh a very direct in this subject

3970
02:42:25,349 --> 02:42:22,319
and this these communications uh at nasa

3971
02:42:26,550 --> 02:42:25,359
about uap show that bill

3972
02:42:28,550 --> 02:42:26,560
absolutely

3973
02:42:31,590 --> 02:42:28,560
needs all the information he can get on

3974
02:42:33,990 --> 02:42:31,600
this and this is this is what he does as

3975
02:42:35,910 --> 02:42:34,000
the administrator of nasa

3976
02:42:38,630 --> 02:42:35,920
yeah and and it was an interesting

3977
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:38,640
window i i will say i'm glad to see the

3978
02:42:42,710 --> 02:42:40,560
administrator of nasa hold that

3979
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:42,720
viewpoint a lot of people were were

3980
02:42:47,910 --> 02:42:44,000
surprised

3981
02:42:49,349 --> 02:42:47,920
say it but in the same respect not

3982
02:42:51,990 --> 02:42:49,359
simply because if you're the head and

3983
02:42:53,429 --> 02:42:52,000
director of nasa i would hope that you

3984
02:42:55,750 --> 02:42:53,439
would hold those beliefs that there's

3985
02:42:57,910 --> 02:42:55,760
life out there and potentially traveling

3986
02:42:59,990 --> 02:42:57,920
the cosmos because why else would you

3987
02:43:01,510 --> 02:43:00,000
would you lead a space agency like that

3988
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:01,520
you know i mean you're you're going to

3989
02:43:05,830 --> 02:43:03,200
be more motivated if you have those

3990
02:43:08,469 --> 02:43:05,840
beliefs so i was excited to see him say

3991
02:43:11,030 --> 02:43:08,479
that and i think rightfully so anybody

3992
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:11,040
who leads that space agency if they are

3993
02:43:14,790 --> 02:43:12,240
pursuing

3994
02:43:17,510 --> 02:43:14,800
uh astrobiological efforts space

3995
02:43:19,910 --> 02:43:17,520
exploration uh deep space exploration

3996
02:43:21,429 --> 02:43:19,920
whatever they've got their mind set on i

3997
02:43:23,269 --> 02:43:21,439
would hope that they would think that

3998
02:43:25,830 --> 02:43:23,279
there is somebody on the other side that

3999
02:43:27,670 --> 02:43:25,840
we may meet one day or a microbe that

4000
02:43:29,510 --> 02:43:27,680
will discover whatever it might be that

4001
02:43:30,710 --> 02:43:29,520
they that they believe that as they

4002
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:30,720
should

4003
02:43:36,230 --> 02:43:34,080
now do you do you think that

4004
02:43:37,429 --> 02:43:36,240
nasa i'm talking about inside of this

4005
02:43:40,550 --> 02:43:37,439
community

4006
02:43:42,070 --> 02:43:40,560
will turn their image around

4007
02:43:43,750 --> 02:43:42,080
right because

4008
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:43,760
this community you know nasa is an

4009
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:45,520
acronym for never a straight answer

4010
02:43:49,510 --> 02:43:46,399
right

4011
02:43:51,190 --> 02:43:49,520
yeah and and this community has always

4012
02:43:54,950 --> 02:43:51,200
looked at nasa

4013
02:43:57,110 --> 02:43:54,960
as somebody that has uh

4014
02:43:58,790 --> 02:43:57,120
let's just say hidden things and that

4015
02:44:01,110 --> 02:43:58,800
they know more

4016
02:44:02,630 --> 02:44:01,120
uh and possibly they know everything and

4017
02:44:04,150 --> 02:44:02,640
they're not telling the public at all

4018
02:44:05,590 --> 02:44:04,160
when it's supposed to be a civilian

4019
02:44:07,429 --> 02:44:05,600
branch

4020
02:44:09,910 --> 02:44:07,439
that is independent of the government

4021
02:44:11,910 --> 02:44:09,920
right and is there is there a way for

4022
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:11,920
nasa to turn that around and is that

4023
02:44:15,269 --> 02:44:13,200
what bill

4024
02:44:16,870 --> 02:44:15,279
is effectively doing

4025
02:44:19,030 --> 02:44:16,880
well i don't want to

4026
02:44:20,790 --> 02:44:19,040
belittle what they're doing but i will

4027
02:44:23,830 --> 02:44:20,800
say that this kind of stuff can

4028
02:44:24,790 --> 02:44:23,840
absolutely be used as a pr in a pr

4029
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:24,800
effort

4030
02:44:29,510 --> 02:44:27,920
that they can utilize the discussion

4031
02:44:30,950 --> 02:44:29,520
about uap

4032
02:44:31,670 --> 02:44:30,960
and renew

4033
02:44:34,469 --> 02:44:31,680
the

4034
02:44:36,710 --> 02:44:34,479
image of nasa and and fix that a little

4035
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:36,720
bit so i i think in the back of their

4036
02:44:40,870 --> 02:44:39,200
minds i i hope that they still care

4037
02:44:43,910 --> 02:44:40,880
about this phenomena

4038
02:44:45,349 --> 02:44:43,920
these phenomena i believe that they do

4039
02:44:47,510 --> 02:44:45,359
but in the same respect it could be

4040
02:44:49,910 --> 02:44:47,520
utilized from a public relations

4041
02:44:51,670 --> 02:44:49,920
standpoint and if they do that's that's

4042
02:44:54,469 --> 02:44:51,680
fine hopefully they will turn it around

4043
02:44:56,950 --> 02:44:54,479
and and not have the same secrecy as

4044
02:44:59,110 --> 02:44:56,960
they seemingly have had for for quite a

4045
02:45:00,630 --> 02:44:59,120
few decades about

4046
02:45:01,990 --> 02:45:00,640
astronaut encounters i mean obviously

4047
02:45:04,389 --> 02:45:02,000
we've had a lot of astronauts come

4048
02:45:06,389 --> 02:45:04,399
forward about encounters and nasa never

4049
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:06,399
really wants to talk about it so

4050
02:45:09,269 --> 02:45:08,000
if this is what it takes for them to fix

4051
02:45:11,110 --> 02:45:09,279
their image and they want to be more

4052
02:45:12,550 --> 02:45:11,120
transparent and talk

4053
02:45:15,349 --> 02:45:12,560
i'm all for it

4054
02:45:17,830 --> 02:45:15,359
let them utilize it for their pr efforts

4055
02:45:20,389 --> 02:45:17,840
uh i just got this in this from pat a

4056
02:45:22,630 --> 02:45:20,399
question for the king of foia i'll go

4057
02:45:25,269 --> 02:45:22,640
with that i'll go with i'll get you one

4058
02:45:27,349 --> 02:45:25,279
of those burger king uh paper crowns oh

4059
02:45:29,910 --> 02:45:27,359
yeah every time you're on the show have

4060
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:29,920
you ever been hassled or had strange

4061
02:45:32,309 --> 02:45:31,200
encounters

4062
02:45:34,469 --> 02:45:32,319
while

4063
02:45:36,630 --> 02:45:34,479
doing the documents

4064
02:45:38,710 --> 02:45:36,640
okay you can take that question two ways

4065
02:45:40,150 --> 02:45:38,720
which way which way do you want to

4066
02:45:43,590 --> 02:45:40,160
answer it first

4067
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:43,600
i mean i assume uh

4068
02:45:48,309 --> 02:45:45,760
hassled as in like does the government

4069
02:45:50,230 --> 02:45:48,319
hassle me about what i do

4070
02:45:52,710 --> 02:45:50,240
uh that's generally

4071
02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:52,720
a very common question uh and the answer

4072
02:45:57,670 --> 02:45:56,000
is no uh through through the act itself

4073
02:45:59,590 --> 02:45:57,680
that i utilize

4074
02:46:01,429 --> 02:45:59,600
they can ask clarity questions but they

4075
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:01,439
can't start drilling you on what you're

4076
02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:03,279
going to do with the information or why

4077
02:46:06,950 --> 02:46:05,600
you're asking for it or whatever they

4078
02:46:08,950 --> 02:46:06,960
can clarify

4079
02:46:11,830 --> 02:46:08,960
but again they don't hassle on on that

4080
02:46:14,790 --> 02:46:11,840
front when it comes to like more of the

4081
02:46:17,429 --> 02:46:14,800
sinister men in black type stories

4082
02:46:20,150 --> 02:46:17,439
knocks on my door hey you can't do this

4083
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:20,160
i never have and and i would think that

4084
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:23,200
if that stuff really was happening um

4085
02:46:28,790 --> 02:46:25,840
then it would have happened by now i did

4086
02:46:33,030 --> 02:46:28,800
expect it post 9 11 and the reason why i

4087
02:46:34,950 --> 02:46:33,040
say that is after 9 11 happened in 2001

4088
02:46:40,550 --> 02:46:34,960
uh i had already been filing foia's for

4089
02:46:44,870 --> 02:46:43,190
the entire event caused them to go back

4090
02:46:46,309 --> 02:46:44,880
and reclassify

4091
02:46:49,590 --> 02:46:46,319
a lot of material that they had

4092
02:46:52,469 --> 02:46:49,600
declassified before 911 changed

4093
02:46:54,230 --> 02:46:52,479
everything on multiple fronts and so

4094
02:46:55,590 --> 02:46:54,240
they reclassified a lot of information

4095
02:46:58,230 --> 02:46:55,600
and i thought hey you know what i

4096
02:47:00,469 --> 02:46:58,240
probably have a document somewhere

4097
02:47:02,790 --> 02:47:00,479
that may tie into this type of stuff

4098
02:47:05,190 --> 02:47:02,800
because i was going after not just ufo

4099
02:47:07,750 --> 02:47:05,200
stuff i was going after nuclear weapons

4100
02:47:10,309 --> 02:47:07,760
documents and reports biological

4101
02:47:11,830 --> 02:47:10,319
chemical weapons a lot of stuff that hey

4102
02:47:14,150 --> 02:47:11,840
if they if they were a little bit too

4103
02:47:15,750 --> 02:47:14,160
loosey-goosey with it they they didn't

4104
02:47:17,429 --> 02:47:15,760
want it to fall in the wrong hands and

4105
02:47:19,590 --> 02:47:17,439
it didn't happen then either which i was

4106
02:47:22,550 --> 02:47:19,600
kind of surprised at because i thought

4107
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:22,560
it would so long-winded way of saying i

4108
02:47:26,790 --> 02:47:24,880
wish i had a cool story for you but

4109
02:47:29,990 --> 02:47:26,800
really they've left me alone

4110
02:47:32,870 --> 02:47:30,000
and uh and and i think that

4111
02:47:36,550 --> 02:47:32,880
from what i've learned over the years

4112
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:36,560
i i don't do things illegally and i

4113
02:47:40,389 --> 02:47:38,000
think that they know that i'm not a

4114
02:47:42,150 --> 02:47:40,399
wikileaks i'm not a julian assange i

4115
02:47:43,990 --> 02:47:42,160
don't have people uh

4116
02:47:46,790 --> 02:47:44,000
uh leaking stuff to me and me turning

4117
02:47:48,550 --> 02:47:46,800
around and publishing it uh that that i

4118
02:47:51,910 --> 02:47:48,560
just don't don't believe in that that

4119
02:47:53,510 --> 02:47:51,920
way so i i stick with it legally um i

4120
02:47:55,670 --> 02:47:53,520
understand that there are humans on the

4121
02:47:57,910 --> 02:47:55,680
other side of these foia offices

4122
02:48:00,389 --> 02:47:57,920
sometimes they're very frustrating

4123
02:48:01,190 --> 02:48:00,399
but i i do understand that they're human

4124
02:48:08,790 --> 02:48:01,200
and

4125
02:48:10,870 --> 02:48:08,800
think vice versa as well so i think we

4126
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:10,880
maintain a somewhat good

4127
02:48:16,230 --> 02:48:13,439
relationship in that respect and some

4128
02:48:18,710 --> 02:48:16,240
agencies definitely hate me i am on

4129
02:48:20,389 --> 02:48:18,720
certain lists that's not a guess that is

4130
02:48:22,630 --> 02:48:20,399
a proven fact

4131
02:48:25,030 --> 02:48:22,640
the fbi has me on what's called a vexum

4132
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:25,040
list uh which is a very short list of

4133
02:48:29,750 --> 02:48:26,640
people that create

4134
02:48:32,389 --> 02:48:29,760
um a burden for them that with filing

4135
02:48:34,469 --> 02:48:32,399
foias and and the information and the

4136
02:48:36,630 --> 02:48:34,479
attention that i can bring to it and i

4137
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:36,640
also discovered that the irs actually

4138
02:48:41,349 --> 02:48:39,279
has a very similar list as well

4139
02:48:43,510 --> 02:48:41,359
obviously not for my ufo stories when it

4140
02:48:44,870 --> 02:48:43,520
comes to the irs but i was digging in

4141
02:48:47,510 --> 02:48:44,880
through some of the

4142
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:47,520
former irs director's emails

4143
02:48:50,790 --> 02:48:48,640
and

4144
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:50,800
i guess i was kind of excited about this

4145
02:48:56,550 --> 02:48:53,359
but also i was a little bit unnerved by

4146
02:48:59,429 --> 02:48:56,560
it i was the only individual that was

4147
02:49:01,830 --> 02:48:59,439
named on the list everything else were

4148
02:49:03,910 --> 02:49:01,840
news organizations like washington post

4149
02:49:06,550 --> 02:49:03,920
and a couple others that were doing some

4150
02:49:09,830 --> 02:49:06,560
some more heavy hitting reporting on irs

4151
02:49:12,150 --> 02:49:09,840
related issues but i was the only person

4152
02:49:14,309 --> 02:49:12,160
which was again exciting a little badge

4153
02:49:15,750 --> 02:49:14,319
of honor uh but disconcerting in the

4154
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:15,760
same respect so

4155
02:49:19,510 --> 02:49:17,520
you know i try and maintain the good

4156
02:49:21,510 --> 02:49:19,520
relationships but i know that i also

4157
02:49:22,870 --> 02:49:21,520
annoy the bejeebers out of quite a few

4158
02:49:24,469 --> 02:49:22,880
of them as well

4159
02:49:27,910 --> 02:49:24,479
how do you know

4160
02:49:28,710 --> 02:49:27,920
john i mean i've always pictured

4161
02:49:31,190 --> 02:49:28,720
uh

4162
02:49:33,030 --> 02:49:31,200
whatever foia office

4163
02:49:34,070 --> 02:49:33,040
right that you're

4164
02:49:36,550 --> 02:49:34,080
and they're sitting there and they're

4165
02:49:38,469 --> 02:49:36,560
manning the email how do you even know

4166
02:49:40,150 --> 02:49:38,479
they're paying attention

4167
02:49:42,469 --> 02:49:40,160
how you know where they're just not

4168
02:49:45,510 --> 02:49:42,479
sitting there laughing

4169
02:49:47,190 --> 02:49:45,520
yeah we'll get to this request right and

4170
02:49:48,550 --> 02:49:47,200
and roll their eyes

4171
02:49:51,349 --> 02:49:48,560
how do you even know that they're paying

4172
02:49:53,269 --> 02:49:51,359
attention or that they even care no it's

4173
02:49:55,030 --> 02:49:53,279
it's a great question so by law they

4174
02:49:57,670 --> 02:49:55,040
have a certain amount of time to respond

4175
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:57,680
to you so if they don't come back to you

4176
02:50:02,230 --> 02:49:59,520
in 20 business days with at least an

4177
02:50:03,910 --> 02:50:02,240
interim response you can go back to them

4178
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:03,920
and say hey

4179
02:50:07,910 --> 02:50:06,160
you're ignoring me and if they continue

4180
02:50:09,030 --> 02:50:07,920
to ignore you there are avenues to

4181
02:50:11,269 --> 02:50:09,040
pursue

4182
02:50:13,190 --> 02:50:11,279
to get help and there are outside

4183
02:50:14,309 --> 02:50:13,200
agencies that that help you through that

4184
02:50:16,790 --> 02:50:14,319
process

4185
02:50:18,710 --> 02:50:16,800
so when it comes to that part there are

4186
02:50:20,230 --> 02:50:18,720
ways that you can fight it

4187
02:50:22,950 --> 02:50:20,240
but then what happens after they do that

4188
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:22,960
initial response like john we received

4189
02:50:28,710 --> 02:50:25,920
your your message uh your case here's

4190
02:50:31,190 --> 02:50:28,720
your case number uh we're gonna get you

4191
02:50:33,030 --> 02:50:31,200
you're in line uh essentially

4192
02:50:35,030 --> 02:50:33,040
and how do you know how long is it's

4193
02:50:37,910 --> 02:50:35,040
really gonna take and when can you fight

4194
02:50:39,110 --> 02:50:37,920
it and there's really no right answer

4195
02:50:41,190 --> 02:50:39,120
for that

4196
02:50:43,990 --> 02:50:41,200
right now i can tell you if i file a

4197
02:50:47,590 --> 02:50:44,000
case to the dod tonight

4198
02:50:48,630 --> 02:50:47,600
tomorrow there's about 3 500 cases ahead

4199
02:50:50,309 --> 02:50:48,640
of mine

4200
02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:50,319
and so you go in what's called a first

4201
02:50:55,269 --> 02:50:52,560
in first out line

4202
02:50:57,429 --> 02:50:55,279
and uh and that's how most agencies

4203
02:50:59,910 --> 02:50:57,439
operate that you just start going in the

4204
02:51:01,110 --> 02:50:59,920
backlog and that backlog could take

4205
02:51:02,790 --> 02:51:01,120
years

4206
02:51:06,150 --> 02:51:02,800
there are

4207
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:06,160
requests that i filed back in 2018

4208
02:51:09,910 --> 02:51:08,160
with the defense intelligence agency on

4209
02:51:12,230 --> 02:51:09,920
ossap which is the

4210
02:51:15,510 --> 02:51:12,240
uh the the

4211
02:51:17,750 --> 02:51:15,520
bigelow aerospace program that is said

4212
02:51:19,830 --> 02:51:17,760
to have utilized skinwalker ranch and

4213
02:51:22,150 --> 02:51:19,840
paranormal like research uh they're

4214
02:51:25,590 --> 02:51:22,160
they're just starting to answer those

4215
02:51:27,990 --> 02:51:25,600
and that's the the 1500 page story that

4216
02:51:30,550 --> 02:51:28,000
that recently came out which

4217
02:51:34,150 --> 02:51:30,560
again in ufo fashion i i said it earlier

4218
02:51:36,630 --> 02:51:34,160
i'll say it again was just full of

4219
02:51:39,110 --> 02:51:36,640
wrong messages and misinformation the

4220
02:51:41,990 --> 02:51:39,120
the media coverage of that was awful

4221
02:51:44,790 --> 02:51:42,000
but it takes years sometimes

4222
02:51:46,870 --> 02:51:44,800
my record is 14 and a half years

4223
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:46,880
i just posted documents in the last week

4224
02:51:51,190 --> 02:51:49,040
that were over seven and eight years to

4225
02:51:53,190 --> 02:51:51,200
process so when you look at that and you

4226
02:51:55,349 --> 02:51:53,200
realize there will be a day i hope it's

4227
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:55,359
a long time from now but i will file a

4228
02:51:58,469 --> 02:51:57,200
case and i'll be dead by the time it

4229
02:51:59,349 --> 02:51:58,479
comes in

4230
02:52:01,670 --> 02:51:59,359
you know

4231
02:52:03,670 --> 02:52:01,680
and and that's it's awful to think about

4232
02:52:05,750 --> 02:52:03,680
but it's like that's how long

4233
02:52:07,590 --> 02:52:05,760
it takes so how do you fight that

4234
02:52:09,990 --> 02:52:07,600
and and there's really no right answer

4235
02:52:11,750 --> 02:52:10,000
there are avenues uh which is a

4236
02:52:14,150 --> 02:52:11,760
conversation that gets a little complex

4237
02:52:16,710 --> 02:52:14,160
but there are avenues to to fight it but

4238
02:52:19,510 --> 02:52:16,720
you can only fight so much because the

4239
02:52:21,990 --> 02:52:19,520
foia system i don't consider it broken

4240
02:52:24,630 --> 02:52:22,000
uh but it's definitely injured in many

4241
02:52:27,429 --> 02:52:24,640
ways and the backlogs and the

4242
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:27,439
understaffing of offices is definitely

4243
02:52:31,110 --> 02:52:28,960
one of those injuries

4244
02:52:32,710 --> 02:52:31,120
now your passwords and everything you're

4245
02:52:36,150 --> 02:52:32,720
going to

4246
02:52:36,870 --> 02:52:36,160
make sure that your son gets those

4247
02:52:43,429 --> 02:52:36,880
yeah

4248
02:52:47,750 --> 02:52:46,389
i i hope that uh that day is long in the

4249
02:52:49,750 --> 02:52:47,760
future but

4250
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:49,760
it always is in the back of my mind like

4251
02:52:54,630 --> 02:52:52,319
how long is this really gonna take and

4252
02:52:56,630 --> 02:52:54,640
it gets frustrating sometimes

4253
02:52:58,630 --> 02:52:56,640
uh i've got this uh it's a bit of a

4254
02:53:00,710 --> 02:52:58,640
strange question uh maybe you can make

4255
02:53:03,510 --> 02:53:00,720
sense out of it this is from deb

4256
02:53:06,469 --> 02:53:03,520
john have you ever used foia with the

4257
02:53:08,389 --> 02:53:06,479
bureau of land management regarding

4258
02:53:10,550 --> 02:53:08,399
bigfoot

4259
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:10,560
i i'd have to look back i don't think

4260
02:53:15,830 --> 02:53:13,920
blm but i will say that i got the fbi

4261
02:53:16,950 --> 02:53:15,840
file on

4262
02:53:19,190 --> 02:53:16,960
uh

4263
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:19,200
on bigfoot and sasquatch what they

4264
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:21,600
labeled as sasquatch that is a file that

4265
02:53:27,429 --> 02:53:24,720
exists there is information in there and

4266
02:53:29,269 --> 02:53:27,439
the quick backstory is the

4267
02:53:31,670 --> 02:53:29,279
motivation for that was i learned that

4268
02:53:35,190 --> 02:53:31,680
the army corps of engineers had created

4269
02:53:37,190 --> 02:53:35,200
a state atlas for uh the state of

4270
02:53:39,510 --> 02:53:37,200
washington right and within there they

4271
02:53:42,230 --> 02:53:39,520
explored the flora and fauna of

4272
02:53:45,670 --> 02:53:42,240
washington state and they had a page in

4273
02:53:48,469 --> 02:53:45,680
there on bigfoot that that was part of

4274
02:53:51,510 --> 02:53:48,479
washington state and they wrote it and

4275
02:53:53,190 --> 02:53:51,520
it was very much more written like it

4276
02:53:54,870 --> 02:53:53,200
really was

4277
02:53:57,670 --> 02:53:54,880
uh real i mean they talk about the

4278
02:54:00,150 --> 02:53:57,680
legend and myth aspect to it uh but it

4279
02:54:01,030 --> 02:54:00,160
even talked about a piece of bigfoot

4280
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:01,040
hair

4281
02:54:07,750 --> 02:54:03,920
a sample that was sent to the fbi

4282
02:54:09,670 --> 02:54:07,760
analyzed and it was not matched to any

4283
02:54:12,870 --> 02:54:09,680
known living

4284
02:54:15,590 --> 02:54:12,880
uh being or or animal or anything at the

4285
02:54:18,150 --> 02:54:15,600
time and it was not a joke and i thought

4286
02:54:19,030 --> 02:54:18,160
there's no way that this is that this is

4287
02:54:20,950 --> 02:54:19,040
real

4288
02:54:22,550 --> 02:54:20,960
yeah and so that's when i filed the foia

4289
02:54:24,870 --> 02:54:22,560
case to the fbi

4290
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:24,880
that's when i got the fbi

4291
02:54:28,950 --> 02:54:27,840
files on bigfoot in sasquatch but was

4292
02:54:30,950 --> 02:54:28,960
missing

4293
02:54:33,429 --> 02:54:30,960
was the test results from what was being

4294
02:54:35,510 --> 02:54:33,439
referenced in this state atlas written

4295
02:54:37,750 --> 02:54:35,520
by the army corps of engineers i

4296
02:54:39,190 --> 02:54:37,760
appealed lost it they said that there's

4297
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:39,200
nothing there

4298
02:54:43,349 --> 02:54:41,120
in addition to what i got so it's like

4299
02:54:46,070 --> 02:54:43,359
the documents are just gone

4300
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:46,080
so either the army corps of engineers

4301
02:54:48,469 --> 02:54:47,680
made it all up

4302
02:54:50,790 --> 02:54:48,479
or

4303
02:54:52,309 --> 02:54:50,800
those documents were destroyed and i i

4304
02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:52,319
side with the latter

4305
02:54:54,950 --> 02:54:53,359
but they

4306
02:54:56,150 --> 02:54:54,960
they had those interesting results all

4307
02:54:57,830 --> 02:54:56,160
printed so

4308
02:54:59,590 --> 02:54:57,840
i'll look back to see if i ever file

4309
02:55:01,349 --> 02:54:59,600
with blm to see if maybe they have

4310
02:55:03,190 --> 02:55:01,359
something else but the fbi ones are

4311
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:03,200
definitely worth checking out

4312
02:55:08,950 --> 02:55:05,840
so zenzabel says

4313
02:55:11,110 --> 02:55:08,960
you're only 40 john

4314
02:55:14,389 --> 02:55:11,120
you've got plenty of miles left

4315
02:55:16,070 --> 02:55:14,399
i appreciate that i just

4316
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:16,080
are interested in the interest of

4317
02:55:22,469 --> 02:55:18,160
transparency

4318
02:55:24,070 --> 02:55:22,479
just turned uh 41 about two weeks ago

4319
02:55:25,670 --> 02:55:24,080
so

4320
02:55:27,750 --> 02:55:25,680
you know

4321
02:55:29,830 --> 02:55:27,760
down this hill going up another one i

4322
02:55:31,750 --> 02:55:29,840
guess but you know it's you know we've

4323
02:55:33,110 --> 02:55:31,760
known each other for such a long time

4324
02:55:36,150 --> 02:55:33,120
but um

4325
02:55:37,990 --> 02:55:36,160
i i i remember finding out your age you

4326
02:55:39,670 --> 02:55:38,000
know 20 years ago

4327
02:55:41,429 --> 02:55:39,680
i was like no way

4328
02:55:43,750 --> 02:55:41,439
and so

4329
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:43,760
that would have made you

4330
02:55:48,230 --> 02:55:46,160
20.

4331
02:55:51,030 --> 02:55:48,240
yeah it's like

4332
02:55:53,590 --> 02:55:51,040
wait a minute you know and and

4333
02:55:56,550 --> 02:55:53,600
uh i just uh

4334
02:55:59,190 --> 02:55:56,560
the age difference is mind-blowing um

4335
02:56:00,790 --> 02:55:59,200
i've always i've always looked at you

4336
02:56:02,950 --> 02:56:00,800
as as being

4337
02:56:04,790 --> 02:56:02,960
older and seasoned but you know what

4338
02:56:05,750 --> 02:56:04,800
what do they say you're an old soul

4339
02:56:08,070 --> 02:56:05,760
right

4340
02:56:09,590 --> 02:56:08,080
i i've been called worse so i'll take

4341
02:56:11,990 --> 02:56:09,600
that

4342
02:56:14,070 --> 02:56:12,000
i appreciate it yeah i i've uh obviously

4343
02:56:16,950 --> 02:56:14,080
been been around for for quite a while

4344
02:56:19,910 --> 02:56:16,960
some of my fun stories was when i was

4345
02:56:20,870 --> 02:56:19,920
lecturing in uh uh laughlin nevada for

4346
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:20,880
the

4347
02:56:26,550 --> 02:56:24,960
for for quite some time and when i

4348
02:56:28,870 --> 02:56:26,560
started lecturing for them my first

4349
02:56:30,469 --> 02:56:28,880
lecture was for mufon when i was 18

4350
02:56:32,710 --> 02:56:30,479
and stanton always told me he says i'm

4351
02:56:34,630 --> 02:56:32,720
the longest running lecturer for mufon

4352
02:56:37,110 --> 02:56:34,640
he says you're now the the youngest that

4353
02:56:38,710 --> 02:56:37,120
has ever that was that was uh you know

4354
02:56:41,349 --> 02:56:38,720
something very cool that stan told me he

4355
02:56:43,670 --> 02:56:41,359
said i held the record for that but when

4356
02:56:45,830 --> 02:56:43,680
we were lecturing in nevada it was held

4357
02:56:48,870 --> 02:56:45,840
at a casino and i wasn't old enough to

4358
02:56:50,790 --> 02:56:48,880
be in the casino so i had to like make

4359
02:56:53,030 --> 02:56:50,800
sure i couldn't even linger in parts of

4360
02:56:55,269 --> 02:56:53,040
where the the conference was because i

4361
02:56:57,990 --> 02:56:55,279
wasn't old enough which so you got off

4362
02:57:00,150 --> 02:56:58,000
the elevator and right up the escalator

4363
02:57:01,510 --> 02:57:00,160
yeah pretty much yeah and if i if i

4364
02:57:03,990 --> 02:57:01,520
linger i mean it was laughlin so it was

4365
02:57:06,630 --> 02:57:04,000
a little bit uh less strict than vegas

4366
02:57:08,630 --> 02:57:06,640
but yeah yeah those those were fun days

4367
02:57:09,750 --> 02:57:08,640
it was uh it was always a good time i

4368
02:57:12,150 --> 02:57:09,760
missed that

4369
02:57:13,429 --> 02:57:12,160
okay what time uh tomorrow does this new

4370
02:57:15,830 --> 02:57:13,439
article drop

4371
02:57:17,429 --> 02:57:15,840
uh well don't uh don't quote me i'm

4372
02:57:19,269 --> 02:57:17,439
hoping it should be tomorrow but now

4373
02:57:21,429 --> 02:57:19,279
you're gonna pressure me into it it's

4374
02:57:22,870 --> 02:57:21,439
not an article either again i don't want

4375
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:22,880
to tease it like it's going to change

4376
02:57:28,790 --> 02:57:26,240
humanity uh but rather uh more of the

4377
02:57:31,110 --> 02:57:28,800
the background and then data dump of

4378
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:31,120
what nasa has given me there is really

4379
02:57:35,269 --> 02:57:33,200
kind of a an interesting

4380
02:57:36,309 --> 02:57:35,279
one document uh which i'll tell you

4381
02:57:37,910 --> 02:57:36,319
because i don't want to make it seem

4382
02:57:41,030 --> 02:57:37,920
like i'm teasing

4383
02:57:43,190 --> 02:57:41,040
but in short there was internal banter

4384
02:57:45,910 --> 02:57:43,200
about an event

4385
02:57:47,030 --> 02:57:45,920
that was going to include christopher

4386
02:57:47,990 --> 02:57:47,040
mellon

4387
02:57:49,590 --> 02:57:48,000
and

4388
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:49,600
robert powell

4389
02:57:54,389 --> 02:57:50,640
and

4390
02:57:56,790 --> 02:57:54,399
i assumed that that was a scu event

4391
02:57:59,510 --> 02:57:56,800
and i started digging in and on the

4392
02:58:02,950 --> 02:57:59,520
contrary this was never

4393
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:02,960
talked about before nor was it scu

4394
02:58:07,750 --> 02:58:05,279
and two

4395
02:58:09,910 --> 02:58:07,760
personnel at nasa were talking about

4396
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:09,920
attending

4397
02:58:13,429 --> 02:58:11,840
so i have some on the record statements

4398
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:13,439
from robert powell

4399
02:58:17,590 --> 02:58:15,600
which are pretty interesting he didn't

4400
02:58:19,510 --> 02:58:17,600
really want to talk about this but he

4401
02:58:21,670 --> 02:58:19,520
felt that since it was revealed through

4402
02:58:22,950 --> 02:58:21,680
foia that he would uh talk a little bit

4403
02:58:25,110 --> 02:58:22,960
about it

4404
02:58:27,349 --> 02:58:25,120
and to me it's kind of interesting i

4405
02:58:29,429 --> 02:58:27,359
asked christopher mellon for

4406
02:58:32,230 --> 02:58:29,439
some comment on it and

4407
02:58:34,469 --> 02:58:32,240
he wouldn't so whatever this is there's

4408
02:58:35,830 --> 02:58:34,479
other events going on that involve

4409
02:58:37,990 --> 02:58:35,840
potentially

4410
02:58:39,110 --> 02:58:38,000
nasa people but nobody would tell me if

4411
02:58:41,590 --> 02:58:39,120
they went

4412
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:41,600
uh and nasa also got back to me and they

4413
02:58:45,030 --> 02:58:42,960
said we cannot speak for them because

4414
02:58:46,870 --> 02:58:45,040
they're no longer with the agency

4415
02:58:47,910 --> 02:58:46,880
go figure so that's what the foia can

4416
02:58:49,990 --> 02:58:47,920
reveal

4417
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:50,000
events that we never knew actually

4418
02:58:53,030 --> 02:58:51,600
happened that's one of my favorite

4419
02:58:54,950 --> 02:58:53,040
things about the black vault i've been

4420
02:58:57,750 --> 02:58:54,960
doing this for years is i i like

4421
02:58:59,990 --> 02:58:57,760
documentaries i like documents i like

4422
02:59:01,590 --> 02:59:00,000
black i like non-fiction that's where my

4423
02:59:04,469 --> 02:59:01,600
heart lies

4424
02:59:06,630 --> 02:59:04,479
and i can just go and read document

4425
02:59:08,550 --> 02:59:06,640
after document after document after

4426
02:59:10,710 --> 02:59:08,560
document and i'm going to do it again

4427
02:59:14,389 --> 02:59:10,720
tomorrow thank you so much john for

4428
02:59:15,110 --> 02:59:14,399
taking up so much time during the day

4429
02:59:17,349 --> 02:59:15,120
no

4430
02:59:19,750 --> 02:59:17,359
thank you i really appreciate the time

4431
02:59:22,870 --> 02:59:19,760
john you are the absolute very best john

4432
02:59:26,389 --> 02:59:22,880
greenwald and with that i got to get out

4433
02:59:28,950 --> 02:59:26,399
of here and get straight to

4434
02:59:30,790 --> 02:59:28,960
uh the credits and and get out of here

4435
02:59:33,670 --> 02:59:30,800
tomorrow night i want to remind

4436
02:59:35,750 --> 02:59:33,680
everybody what's going on it is jason

4437
02:59:37,429 --> 02:59:35,760
quit and uh tomorrow night we're going

4438
02:59:38,630 --> 02:59:37,439
to be discussing

4439
02:59:41,750 --> 02:59:38,640
astro

4440
02:59:45,110 --> 02:59:41,760
and lucid dreaming all of that tomorrow

4441
02:59:47,349 --> 02:59:45,120
night with jason quick fade to black

4442
02:59:49,030 --> 02:59:47,359
is produced by hill j palm rene dennis

4443
02:59:51,830 --> 02:59:49,040
and kevin announcers are steve harter

4444
02:59:53,190 --> 02:59:51,840
gene vitto and mark d kovar webmaster is

4445
02:59:55,510 --> 02:59:53,200
drew the geek

4446
02:59:57,830 --> 02:59:55,520
music doug aldridge intro space boy

4447
02:59:59,750 --> 02:59:57,840
spaceboymusic.com

4448
03:00:00,950 --> 02:59:59,760
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4449
03:00:04,150 --> 03:00:00,960
the game changer network and this

4450
03:00:05,830 --> 03:00:04,160
broadcast is only copyrighted 2022 by

4451
03:00:08,389 --> 03:00:05,840
fade to black and the game changer

4452
03:00:10,070 --> 03:00:08,399
network inc it cannot be rebroadcast

4453
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:10,080
downloaded copied or used anywhere in

4454
03:00:13,269 --> 03:00:11,920
the known universe without written

4455
03:00:15,110 --> 03:00:13,279
permission from fade to block of the

4456
03:00:16,790 --> 03:00:15,120
game changer network i'm your host jimmy

4457
03:00:20,550 --> 03:00:16,800
church until tomorrow night with jason

4458
03:00:25,680 --> 03:00:20,560
quit i want everybody to be safe

4459
03:00:30,220 --> 03:00:25,690
it's time to fade to black

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03:00:37,510 --> 03:00:30,230
[Music]

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03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:42,510
oh